Jenks
Senior Member
Who are you arguing with? No one has said any of that. These weird straw man arguments about the UK are beyond tiresome. I don't know why La Liga fans have such a chip on their shoulder when it comes to the EPL.
Who are you arguing with? No one has said any of that. These weird straw man arguments about the UK are beyond tiresome. I don't know why La Liga fans have such a chip on their shoulder when it comes to the EPL.
DavidVillano1
New member
Dd you not read the last few pages? It HAS been said on here by some people.
Straw man arguments, lol, I live in Britain and come across this jealous type of British fan regularly. Actually watch more EPL matches than any other league, but hey let's ignore the facts and deflect away from them, eh Jenks?
Just noticed majority of your posts are in the Premier League section, that explains everything!
Straw man arguments, lol, I live in Britain and come across this jealous type of British fan regularly. Actually watch more EPL matches than any other league, but hey let's ignore the facts and deflect away from them, eh Jenks?
Just noticed majority of your posts are in the Premier League section, that explains everything!
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Ustari
Mou, res!
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Jenks
Senior Member
It hasn't been said on this page, the one before, or the one before that. I don't know how far you want me to read back, but either way using the quote function might have made your post look a little less random.
What does it explain?
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DavidVillano1
New member
When I first clicked on this thread it took me to page 90(3 pages before my post) and I read on from there, the first half of my post was based on those comments, second part from the EL comment on the previous page.
Just noticed that those first posts were back in September, so can see why you felt it was a strange bump. My apologies!
Just noticed that those first posts were back in September, so can see why you felt it was a strange bump. My apologies!
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Smile
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Van Persie is a quality player and without going into all this Spain vs England rubbish, the Premier League is a quality league, i'm not sure what all this 'British style' and 'change of culture' means though.
I see no change. Britain have always produced technically gifted players, you only have to take a look at the legend section to see some British players there, ok maybe not so much the last decade but even then there has been Scholes, one of the most technically gifted players out there and the likes of Beckham and only a blind person wouldn't be able to see the quality of some of the latest British talent coming through (well ok, English apart from Bale), so there is a lot to be optimistic about there.
But yes i don't really see a 'change' as such though, sometimes nations producing lack of quality happens. Take a look at Brazil recent times, a bunch of players which is a insult to be called 'Brazil' and maybe that's happened with England since 2002? I see things changing with Brazil and i see things changing back here at home and this latest geneneration looks promising indeed and we may actually see England playing again rather than a long balls to the Andy Caroll's & Emile Heskey's.
I see no change. Britain have always produced technically gifted players, you only have to take a look at the legend section to see some British players there, ok maybe not so much the last decade but even then there has been Scholes, one of the most technically gifted players out there and the likes of Beckham and only a blind person wouldn't be able to see the quality of some of the latest British talent coming through (well ok, English apart from Bale), so there is a lot to be optimistic about there.
But yes i don't really see a 'change' as such though, sometimes nations producing lack of quality happens. Take a look at Brazil recent times, a bunch of players which is a insult to be called 'Brazil' and maybe that's happened with England since 2002? I see things changing with Brazil and i see things changing back here at home and this latest geneneration looks promising indeed and we may actually see England playing again rather than a long balls to the Andy Caroll's & Emile Heskey's.
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Van Persie is a quality player and without going into all this Spain vs England rubbish, the Premier League is a quality league, i'm not sure what all this 'British style' and 'change of culture' means though.
I see no change. Britain have always produced technically gifted players, you only have to take a look at the legend section to see some British players there, ok maybe not so much the last decade but even then there has been Scholes, one of the most technically gifted players out there and the likes of Beckham and only a blind person wouldn't be able to see the quality of some of the latest British talent coming through (well ok, English apart from Bale), so there is a lot to be optimistic about.
But no i don't really see a 'change' as such, sometimes nations producing lack of quality happens. Take a look at Brazil recent times, a bunch of players which is a insult to be called 'Brazil' and maybe that's happened with England since 2002. I see things changing with Brazil and i see things changing back here at home and this latest geneneration looks promising indeed and we may actually see England playing again rather than long balls to the Andy Caroll's & Emile Heskey's.
I see no change. Britain have always produced technically gifted players, you only have to take a look at the legend section to see some British players there, ok maybe not so much the last decade but even then there has been Scholes, one of the most technically gifted players out there and the likes of Beckham and only a blind person wouldn't be able to see the quality of some of the latest British talent coming through (well ok, English apart from Bale), so there is a lot to be optimistic about.
But no i don't really see a 'change' as such, sometimes nations producing lack of quality happens. Take a look at Brazil recent times, a bunch of players which is a insult to be called 'Brazil' and maybe that's happened with England since 2002. I see things changing with Brazil and i see things changing back here at home and this latest geneneration looks promising indeed and we may actually see England playing again rather than long balls to the Andy Caroll's & Emile Heskey's.
DavidVillano1
New member
Beckham 
Smile care to name the British talent that's coming through to be optimistic about?
The change in style has been pretty clear, if you can't see it then there's no point elaborating it further. The style of play from clubs within England is changing, the points were nothing to do with the England national team! You even went on to mention the change in long ball attitude
Smile care to name the British talent that's coming through to be optimistic about?
The change in style has been pretty clear, if you can't see it then there's no point elaborating it further. The style of play from clubs within England is changing, the points were nothing to do with the England national team! You even went on to mention the change in long ball attitude
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Beckham was a awesome player if you say otherwise I’m not going to waste my time replying anymore as you clearly are moron and since you cannot see the talent that is coming through now i feel i might be wasting my time trying to educate you on that too especially since you cannot see talent from the past, but i will try *sigh*
Ok style with English clubs is NOT changing. The Liverpools, Manchester United’s, Villas, Arsenal’s, Nottingham Forest, Leeds past successes (60's/70's/80’s/90’s) domestically and in Europe have all been built on pass and move, Liverpool even had a hit record on itarty1: Styles mid-table, bottom half teams though was always long ball or rough your opponent to try and win.
This has not changed as the top teams still play football and the mid-lower teams still do the same, so as you can see style or mentality as not changed and will not change because that is what makes the Premier League what it is (a diverse league of styles).
What is changing is the interest in development of youth again, in the 80’s early 90’s youth and reserve football was played at the Old Trafford's/Anfield's and Stamford Bridge's infront of 30,000 people, late 90’s this stopped due to pitches not being up to standard and too much football being played on these pitches. Reserve/youth football then started to be played on school like pitches or football pitches with a small stand where 100 people can sit and still is today, this has happened late 90’s and (as said) still does hence generation of England/British players lost basically due to lack of development/experience for the talented players we may have had, unlike in Spain where Barcelona B play in the Spanish League and GETTING experience.
What is happening now though (last 5 years) are loan systems are being used more in England and top teams loaning players to lower half Premier League clubs and Championship clubs. Then the Championship is giving more opportunities to youngsters (something it never did before) and its benefiting, the Championship now is basically division of Premier League loanees and youngsters clubs are producing themselves which is fantastic and benefiting not only because of the talented being produced but them selling to Premier League clubs for £10m plus, unlike the past where it was just a has-been league and waste of time footballers.
As for past, England used to play great football. 96 for instance outplaying (not only beating) the great Dutch side 4-1, outplaying Germany 5-1 in 2001, the great battles with Argentina in the 90’s and early 00’s, the great game with the talented Brazil side of 02. England more than held their own (footballing wise) against these great sides and as said it’s only been recent England have been poor (for all the reasons i said above) and it’s because of this reasons why England have been playing long-ball (your other question to me) and that is not the England way at all.
What this way is, is the lower Premier team way, why? Because that is the only way we know how to win if we can’t play against a side and it works, just as it does in the Premier League hence England getting to a penalty shoot out with Italy recently. BUT with the technical players the country is now starting to produce again left right and center and players who are getting experience, England will start competing and playing again now and within the next 2 years onwards, just as we used to and if you cannot see this you are clearly blind/uneducated or have other agendas against the Premier League and British football and if this is the case you will not get a reply for me again.
Ok style with English clubs is NOT changing. The Liverpools, Manchester United’s, Villas, Arsenal’s, Nottingham Forest, Leeds past successes (60's/70's/80’s/90’s) domestically and in Europe have all been built on pass and move, Liverpool even had a hit record on it
arty1: Styles mid-table, bottom half teams though was always long ball or rough your opponent to try and win.This has not changed as the top teams still play football and the mid-lower teams still do the same, so as you can see style or mentality as not changed and will not change because that is what makes the Premier League what it is (a diverse league of styles).
What is changing is the interest in development of youth again, in the 80’s early 90’s youth and reserve football was played at the Old Trafford's/Anfield's and Stamford Bridge's infront of 30,000 people, late 90’s this stopped due to pitches not being up to standard and too much football being played on these pitches. Reserve/youth football then started to be played on school like pitches or football pitches with a small stand where 100 people can sit and still is today, this has happened late 90’s and (as said) still does hence generation of England/British players lost basically due to lack of development/experience for the talented players we may have had, unlike in Spain where Barcelona B play in the Spanish League and GETTING experience.
What is happening now though (last 5 years) are loan systems are being used more in England and top teams loaning players to lower half Premier League clubs and Championship clubs. Then the Championship is giving more opportunities to youngsters (something it never did before) and its benefiting, the Championship now is basically division of Premier League loanees and youngsters clubs are producing themselves which is fantastic and benefiting not only because of the talented being produced but them selling to Premier League clubs for £10m plus, unlike the past where it was just a has-been league and waste of time footballers.
As for past, England used to play great football. 96 for instance outplaying (not only beating) the great Dutch side 4-1, outplaying Germany 5-1 in 2001, the great battles with Argentina in the 90’s and early 00’s, the great game with the talented Brazil side of 02. England more than held their own (footballing wise) against these great sides and as said it’s only been recent England have been poor (for all the reasons i said above) and it’s because of this reasons why England have been playing long-ball (your other question to me) and that is not the England way at all.
What this way is, is the lower Premier team way, why? Because that is the only way we know how to win if we can’t play against a side and it works, just as it does in the Premier League hence England getting to a penalty shoot out with Italy recently. BUT with the technical players the country is now starting to produce again left right and center and players who are getting experience, England will start competing and playing again now and within the next 2 years onwards, just as we used to and if you cannot see this you are clearly blind/uneducated or have other agendas against the Premier League and British football and if this is the case you will not get a reply for me again.
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Unbiased United
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Beckham was a awesome player if you say otherwise I’m not going to waste my time replying anymore as you clearly are moron and since you cannot see the talent that is coming through now i feel i might be wasting my time trying to educate you on that too especially since you cannot see talent from the past, but i will try *sigh*
Ok style with English clubs is NOT changing. The Liverpools, Manchester United’s, Villas, Arsenal’s, Nottingham Forest, Leeds past successes (60's/70's/80’s/90’s) domestically and in Europe have all been built on pass and move, Liverpool even had a hit record on it
This has not changed as the top teams still play football and the mid-lower teams still do the same, so as you can see style or mentality as not changed and will not change because that is what makes the Premier League what it is (a diverse league of styles).
What is changing is the interest in development of youth again, in the 80’s early 90’s youth and reserve football was played at the Old Trafford's/Anfield's and Stamford Bridge's infront of 30,000 people, late 90’s this stopped due to pitches not being up to standard and too much football being played on these pitches. Reserve/youth football then started to be played on school like pitches or football pitches with a small stand where 100 people can sit and still is today, this has happened late 90’s and (as said) still does hence generation of England/British players lost basically due to lack of development/experience for the talented players we may have had, unlike in Spain where Barcelona B play in the Spanish League and GETTING experience.
What is happening now though (last 5 years) are loan systems are being used more in England and top teams loaning players to lower half Premier League clubs and Championship clubs. Then the Championship is giving more opportunities to youngsters (something it never did before) and its benefiting, the Championship now is basically division of Premier League loanees and youngsters clubs are producing themselves which is fantastic and benefiting not only because of the talented being produced but them selling to Premier League clubs for £10m plus, unlike the past where it was just a has-been league and waste of time footballers.
As for past, England used to play great football. 96 for instance outplaying (not only beating) the great Dutch side 4-1, outplaying Germany 5-1 in 2001, the great battles with Argentina in the 90’s and early 00’s, the great game with the talented Brazil side of 02. England more than held their own (footballing wise) against these great sides and as said it’s only been recent England have been poor (for all the reasons i said above) and it’s because of this reasons why England have been playing long-ball (your other question to me) and that is not the England way at all.
What this way is, is the lower Premier team way, why? Because that is the only way we know how to win if we can’t play against a side and it works, just as it does in the Premier League hence England getting to a penalty shoot out with Italy recently. BUT with the technical players the country is now starting to produce again left right and center and players who are getting experience, England will start competing and playing again now and within the next 2 years onwards, just as we used to and if you cannot see this you are clearly blind/uneducated or have other agendas against the Premier League and British football and if this is the case you will not get a reply for me again.
A bit cringeworthy this post tbh mate.
There is a lot of anti-English/Premier League sentiment on these forums, and you are just banging your head against a brick wall trying to convince some people here than the Premier League is anything other than Sunday league pub football standard. However, this is a Barca forum and there is bound to be a more pro La Liga type attitude, so best thing is to just relax a bit when discussing things here (I know from experience!).
Your post is a bit blinkered even to me though dude (and I'm very much pro England/premier league), and was a bit harsh with the name calling considering he wasn't personal with you. We do have some good, exciting you talent coming through, unquestionably, but two years until we start competing at the very top? ...fair play that's your opinion but its hardly being 'blind/uneducated' to think it might take a good deal longer than that, if at all tbh.
In short, you make some good points, but come across a bit
too, and you'll just get lots of stick for it.But yeah, that Van Persie...top player.
Unbiased United
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Suarez is a very good player (as deplorable as he is) but he has a LONG way to go to prove himself the best forward in the Premier League.... Hence why he still plays for a mid-table team
Granted, with two or three seasons playing at the level he has been this season, I'd probably allow him to lace Van Persie's boots.
... At the minute I still think he's tier below though....we don't have to wait long for some good strong evidence either way though!
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