Van Persie

Deco 20

Scandinavian 101
I'd say RvP > Villa. Even if Villa manages to get back in form. But who knows how good/bad van Persie will be next season? Better wait IMO

That's what I'm saying. International career is based on luck 80% of the time. Had Messi been born in Spain he would have won the world cup already. Had he accepted won play For Spain when offered he's be on top of the world right now without anyone doubting his game. You see in National teams you are stuck with W.e player happen to be from your country at that place in time, In Clubs you can actually move forward and find better teammates and players. And Please let's not make excuses for Messi's failure with Argentina. He's been coached by 5 different people yet we always blame the coach. The reason why Messi doesn't shine as much is b.c he needs better players in his team. We should not be unfair to criticize Messi b.c of Argentina and no other player. We should only care about their performance with the club....let others in their country deal with the failure in national team.

The dutch were in the world cup final less than 2 years ago... With players like VdV, Sneijder, Robben etc. van Persie wasn't even close to being their best player.
Messi has been Argentinas best player for over 3 years now...
 
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danumber10

Guest
I don't really know how to explain the work rate part... And come on, we are talking about a club captain. There's no way he is going any where for free. Just remember that Wenger has shown a lot of patience towards this injuryprone guy, and if he decides to abandon that club for free forgetting all the help they've done to him... I won't want him representing my club
So you think Villa as good as it gets for Barca and you don't know why? Maybe he won't come for free but he sure will come for a lower price. I really don't know what's going on behind curtains but I' sure that If Barca contact Persie he will let Arsenal know he won't renew his contract and therefore it will be Arsenals' responsibility to either Sell him at a lower price or just wait till his contract ends.
 

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
So you think Villa as good as it gets for Barca and you don't know why? Maybe he won't come for free but he sure will come for a lower price. I really don't know what's going on behind curtains but I' sure that If Barca contact Persie he will let Arsenal know he won't renew his contract and therefore it will be Arsenals' responsibility to either Sell him at a lower price or just wait till his contract ends.
I said i can't explain not because I don't know... But because I expected you to understand that basic aspect of the game. I'm not even sure if RvP has enough stamina to run like a horse all over the ground.

I will lose some of the respect I have for him if he doesn't ensure Arsenal profit as much as they can on his transfer. he owes them that much
 
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danumber10

Guest
I said i can't explain not because I don't know... But because I expected you to understand that basic aspect of the game. I'm not even sure if RvP has enough stamina to run like a horse all over the ground.

I will lose some of the respect I have for him if he doesn't ensure Arsenal profit as much as they can on his transfer. he owes them that much
Sure because Villa runs like a horse all over the ground lol.So far I have not read any arguments as to way Villa is better than Van Persie. Most answers are based on feelings and not arguments. and of course the EPL is a league where you walk around . The EPL is more physical ( yes, that includes stamina ) than la Liga. There is no doubt about that. Now that I think about it, you are right. Van Persie would not leave just for free but I'm telling you that the amount of money would not be as big as you think. If he chose to go to city maybe but if he wanted a barca move then Arsenal would have to work something out.
 

psychotsek

Member
Problem is if we get him we'll play him wide since Messi is our target man/false 9 whatever and he really hasn't performed in the same level in a wider role.Imo we need a player who can play either as a winger or as a target man(when Messi isn't available) and is strong and perhaps tall enough but equally techinally gifted with good finishes that can merge with our team's play adding sth different.That's the reason we bought Alexis for but has underperformed(?) thus far although it's too soon to judge him.Van Persie maybe can be that man but there are also better albeit more expensive options like Suarez or Aguero.
 

Manuel Traquete

New member
what you mean by club career ? do you mean titles won by that player or just personal stats?

Performance in general. Villa's consistency over the past decade can't be matched (not even close) by the likes of Van Persie. Even if we look at titles, it's pretty much the same story.
 

zanela

Senior Member
Villa is better by way of versatility, consistency and work ethic.

- He can spearhead an attack, play behind a strike-partner, or work the channels. Van Persie can as well. But DV7 executes these roles to equal quality, and greater effect.

- He's not just a goal-scorer, but one who contributes to playmaking, linkup attack and setting up his teammates, all of which require vision and passing (non-striker attributes). He assisted second to Aimar in 05/06 for his team, and was La Liga's leading assist man in 06/07. So far in their career Villa has 78 assists to RVP's 53. The former has played more, but their assist/game ratio is about similar.

- DV7 has stood out playing for the likes of S.Gijón and Zaragoza, which i'm sure you know are not of the same quality as a top 4 EPL club (where RVP has spent playing the best part of his career) and boasting a ratio of a goal in 2, and being instrumental in zara's victory over Real madrid in the CDR finals 04.

- In his time at Valencia, which was marked by instability(fin.and sportin'), internal conflicts, 4 managerial changes, he was the top spanish goal-scorer for 4 seasons, and a constant thorn for the top 2 despite the level of quality around him.

- Has a vast array of skills and weapons. He can volley, chip, scissor, overhead, score from the half-way line, and score golazos from either foot from acutest of angles and distances. He's also a proven set-piece player. RVP in his career has neither shown the same variety or depth in his shot-making/finishing.

- RVP is a technical player, yes, but most EPL players of his kind (regardless of quality) look better than what they actually are, thanks to the incompetence of EPL defenders who lack the knowledge or the ability to take on fast technically skilled players. RVP won't enjoy similar success against La Liga defences. Conversely, DV7 (even at 30) will have it much easier there. You just 've to look at how some of his NT teammates(Mata, Silva, Torres - before he lost it) have been twatting the EPL defences. At this moment, RVP is a better dribbler, but DV7 in his prime was better.

- Villa's intl exploits and stats speak for itself. RVP isn't close.

- His biggest footballing attribute is his humility and sacrifice. His willingness to take a step back for his other team-mate to shine. His willingness to learn from a younger and lesser player in order to contribute more to the team. His work-rate (tracking back) and pressing game. But more so, the chemistry and good-will he shares with his team mates, all of which are important for the team-morale and spirit. And you can't put a prize on that.

David Villa at his prime was heroic (still is) and magnificient. RVP is not a worthy comparison. But then most posters here have not seen Villa pre-barca.
He might be in the decline, but he can still offer much more than an RVP can to this team. Upon recovery, Villa shall return and add more beautiful chapters to his Barca legacy.. You all watch!. :)
 

Canto

Johan Dalin part II
:lol: atr thinking that RVP is any less consistent then Villa and that Villa doesn't contribute to the link up play :lol:
 

barcaboy15

New member
Villa is better by way of versatility, consistency and work ethic.

- He can spearhead an attack, play behind a strike-partner, or work the channels. Van Persie can as well. But DV7 executes these roles to equal quality, and greater effect.

- He's not just a goal-scorer, but one who contributes to playmaking, linkup attack and setting up his teammates, all of which require vision and passing (non-striker attributes). He assisted second to Aimar in 05/06 for his team, and was La Liga's leading assist man in 06/07. So far in their career Villa has 78 assists to RVP's 53. The former has played more, but their assist/game ratio is about similar.

- DV7 has stood out playing for the likes of S.Gijón and Zaragoza, which i'm sure you know are not of the same quality as a top 4 EPL club (where RVP has spent playing the best part of his career) and boasting a ratio of a goal in 2, and being instrumental in zara's victory over Real madrid in the CDR finals 04.

- In his time at Valencia, which was marked by instability(fin.and sportin'), internal conflicts, 4 managerial changes, he was the top spanish goal-scorer for 4 seasons, and a constant thorn for the top 2 despite the level of quality around him.

- Has a vast array of skills and weapons. He can volley, chip, scissor, overhead, score from the half-way line, and score golazos from either foot from acutest of angles and distances. He's also a proven set-piece player. RVP in his career has neither shown the same variety or depth in his shot-making/finishing.

- RVP is a technical player, yes, but most EPL players of his kind (regardless of quality) look better than what they actually are, thanks to the incompetence of EPL defenders who lack the knowledge or the ability to take on fast technically skilled players. RVP won't enjoy similar success against La Liga defences. Conversely, DV7 (even at 30) will have it much easier there. You just 've to look at how some of his NT teammates(Mata, Silva, Torres - before he lost it) have been twatting the EPL defences. At this moment, RVP is a better dribbler, but DV7 in his prime was better.

- Villa's intl exploits and stats speak for itself. RVP isn't close.

- His biggest footballing attribute is his humility and sacrifice. His willingness to take a step back for his other team-mate to shine. His willingness to learn from a younger and lesser player in order to contribute more to the team. His work-rate (tracking back) and pressing game. But more so, the chemistry and good-will he shares with his team mates, all of which are important for the team-morale and spirit. And you can't put a prize on that.

David Villa at his prime was heroic (still is) and magnificient. RVP is not a worthy comparison. But then most posters here have not seen Villa pre-barca.
He might be in the decline, but he can still offer much more than an RVP can to this team. Upon recovery, Villa shall return and add more beautiful chapters to his Barca legacy.. You all watch!. :)

^All 100% true. Great post.

Sometimes it seems as if everyone on this forum starting watching football this season? I mean, comparing V.Persie with Villa:facepalm:
 
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Clockwise

Buccaneer
Ok lets make a basic comparison:


Shots Per Game:
David Villa 5.5
Robin Van Persie 4.5

DV > RVP

Passing accuracy:

David Villa (League 85.4 - CL 89.6)
Robin Van Persie (League 72.8 - CL 69.1)

DV > RVP

Assists Per Game

David Villa 0.17
Robin Van Persie .28

RVP > DV

Goals Per Game

David Villa .51
Robin Van Persie .42

DV > RVP

Games Per Year

David Villa 48
Robin Van Persie 33

DV > RVP

Positions To Play:

David Villa (FWL CF AM FWR)
Robin Van Persie ( CF- false 9)

DV > RVP

Foot

David Villa (Left/Right)
Robin Van Persie (Left)

DV > RVP

Successful Tackles Per Game:

David Villa .7
Robin Van Persie .5

DV > RVP

Key Passes Per Game:

David Villa (League .8 - CL 1)
Robin Van Persie (League 2.2 - CL .4)

(CL) DV > RVP
(L) RVP > DV

Dispossed Per Game:

David Villa 1.1
Robin Van Persie 2.6

DV > RVP

Diving (scale from 0-10):

David Villa 6
Robin Van Persie 6.5

DV > RVP

Work rate (scale from 0-10):

David Villa 8.5
Robin Van Persie 5

DV > RVP

Speed (scale from 0-10) :

David Villa 8.7
Robin Van Persie 6.8

DV > RVP

Set Pieces (scale from 0-10)

David Villa 8.7
Robin Van Persie 8

DV > RVP

make the comparison based on non biased stats, yourself. stats from, whoscored, wiki and opta.
 
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xaviniesta

Guest
Ok lets make a basic comparison:




Speed (scale from 0-10) :

David Villa 8.7
Robin Van Persie 6.8

DV > RVP

Set Pieces (scale from 0-10)

David Villa 8.7
Robin Van Persie 8

DV > RVP

.

sorry but what the hell is this?
 

barcaboy15

New member
Whatever the promise it'd be really cruel to leave Arsenal in such a helplessness state without at least providing them any kind of compensation... unless he won them the league and Cl next season

Lol, Arsenal won't be in the CL next season - nevermind win it.
 

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