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Barcilliant
Senior Member
Our great teams had great home grown players. That's depending on luck. There's no guarantee whatsoever that La Masia produces all times greats like Messi and Xaviesta. The norm is the likes of Batra,Cucurella,Puig and Sandro. This is the reality. We need a blend of pragmatism and idealism. At the moment we don't have the right players or coach to play that style. I like what Rijkaard did here. We had good football with a degree of pragmatism. We also weren't humiliated in Europe.
Givenchy
Senior Member
Hate to say it but I'm fast losing faith in Xavi the manager.
The consistence of Busi and no plan to phase him out is astonishing. This LB transfer of Alonso does nothing to challenge Alba, another who needs to be phased out next season.
His mo in the transfer market is ex-players or Spanish national team players (who are mediocre btw). I'm just waiting for the Dani Olmo rumor to raise it's ugly head again.
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Birdy
Senior Member
That's sad.
Having another aged fuck, better defensively but slow and not agile to challenge a rapid but horrendous defender...
Will they ever get it right?
jamrock
Senior Member
This times 100x was saying the same thing to a friend yesterday, all this Madrid success just lets me hate bartomeu more.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Football is entertainment industry, how pleasing on the eye the team is matters.
But it is a sport,and winning matters, there is no entertainment in losing, there is no entertainment if you aren't winning. People usually mix that with the fact that you just winning doesn't mean entertainment.
People also forget that there is no one type of entertainment in football, plenty of other teams play the game beautifully.
Barca didn't became Crujifista club after 90 years of its existence because it was entertaining.
It was due to the fact that hiring him was more successful than hiring Helenio Herrera, British or Spanich coaches that lead us to decades of mediocrity. Barca was closer to Bilbao in their trophy cabinet than Real Madrid. Franly Crujif own teacher was one of the more successful coaches in those darker period of the club.
Hiring Crujif was masterclass, then hiring another Dutch coach was success, hiring third Dutch coach in 15 years brought even more success. Then bringing in a student of the first 2 coaches brought a treble etc.
Barca simply linked their success to that certain style, sometimes for history, others for marketing purposes. To make those who support the club feel special and attract more fans.
But to prefer to "lose this way, rather than winning another way" defies the purpose of the game, defies the reasons we actually adopted our ways.
It is a loser and stupid mentality IMO.
Xavi should be given a fair chance, but if he fails then the club might need to look for a new Crujif rather than a Crujifista. A new manager that installs a new successful identity to the club and allow it to evolve.
But it is a sport,and winning matters, there is no entertainment in losing, there is no entertainment if you aren't winning. People usually mix that with the fact that you just winning doesn't mean entertainment.
People also forget that there is no one type of entertainment in football, plenty of other teams play the game beautifully.
Barca didn't became Crujifista club after 90 years of its existence because it was entertaining.
It was due to the fact that hiring him was more successful than hiring Helenio Herrera, British or Spanich coaches that lead us to decades of mediocrity. Barca was closer to Bilbao in their trophy cabinet than Real Madrid. Franly Crujif own teacher was one of the more successful coaches in those darker period of the club.
Hiring Crujif was masterclass, then hiring another Dutch coach was success, hiring third Dutch coach in 15 years brought even more success. Then bringing in a student of the first 2 coaches brought a treble etc.
Barca simply linked their success to that certain style, sometimes for history, others for marketing purposes. To make those who support the club feel special and attract more fans.
But to prefer to "lose this way, rather than winning another way" defies the purpose of the game, defies the reasons we actually adopted our ways.
It is a loser and stupid mentality IMO.
Xavi should be given a fair chance, but if he fails then the club might need to look for a new Crujif rather than a Crujifista. A new manager that installs a new successful identity to the club and allow it to evolve.
Saying i would rather losing with 1000 passes than winning with 100 passes is just a lame excuse. Even Xavi knows that. That's why he uses the best/fastest tactic (cross) he can do.
None remember Cruyff's last two seasons when he failed to win anything and lost 0-5 in Classico. Even Pep's last season isn't memorable except Messi's 73 goals.
None remember Cruyff's last two seasons when he failed to win anything and lost 0-5 in Classico. Even Pep's last season isn't memorable except Messi's 73 goals.
serghei
Senior Member
Of course the end objective is winning. But the path to getting there should be our own. Besides, no point in discussing much that now since we lack money.
What we need to do is what Liverpool under Klopp did. Bring in 7-8 class players on different positions to build the team with. Some could be cheaper inspired signings, but 4-5 of those need to be big money signings. Pretty much like Liverpool did with Matip and Robertson (top players developed by Klopp who were cheap), with 40m signings like Salah and Mane, but also with big-money signings like Van Dijk and Alisson, and later Jota etc.
Liveprool, on top of getting Klopp, made these money moves to build their team over the course of about 4-6 years. They started producing top stuff after investing about 200m. But the thing to note is that almost all of their serious money signings worked out and improved their team. No real flops in this list.
Firmino 41m
Mane 42m
Wijnaldum 28m
Van Dijk 85m
Salah 42m
Chamberlain 38m
Alisson 63m
Keita 60m
Fabinho 45m
Diogo Jota 45m
Thiago 22m
Konate 40m
Luiz Diaz 45m
That's 600m. This is how much we need to invest in the next years to build a super-strong team with a deep squad and no real liabilities. Not all at once, but around 100-150m minimum every summer. For the next 4-6 years. And Liverpool made, on top of that medium and medium-high money buys, quite a few other low-money inspired buys like Matip, Milner, and promoted talents that proved to be big hits like Trent.
Now, let's say we have some talent that covers us on some positions, once they mature and stop getting injured all the time, like Pedri, Gavi, Araujo, and Fati. Those 4 work out big time and we look good to start with as in a solid core of young players with high ceiling, but we still talk about 3-4 years into the future, until these kids become men so to speak in both mind and body.
In those 3-4 years, we need to develop our game and shape our squad, and sign roughly: 1 top-class keeper, 2 new fullbacks, at least 1 world-class defender, 2 pure wingers to complement Ansu and Ferran who are not definitely not that profile, and one new defensive midfielder to replace Busquets. And find out what kind of striker we go for.
Those 6-8 new top players would require a good 400-500m to fund. 150m spending per summer for 2-3 years would get us close. But the thing is you need a 75% hit rate for the signings. And for that you need a staff that is great at spotting the right players for the manager to use. The manager tells the type of player that is needed, the technical directors present the options to go after.
What the club failed big time in was investing the key funds needed for a rebuild on Bartomeu's dumb as a rock galactico model with no real plan for the future. He sinked the club for 5-6 years on his own. No way we can get the kind of money to bounce back fast.
This is the schematics of it for the next 3-4 years. Who thinks we're gonna sign some free players and we're gonna challenge Real Madrid, City, Liverpool etc. is delusional.
What we need to do is what Liverpool under Klopp did. Bring in 7-8 class players on different positions to build the team with. Some could be cheaper inspired signings, but 4-5 of those need to be big money signings. Pretty much like Liverpool did with Matip and Robertson (top players developed by Klopp who were cheap), with 40m signings like Salah and Mane, but also with big-money signings like Van Dijk and Alisson, and later Jota etc.
Liveprool, on top of getting Klopp, made these money moves to build their team over the course of about 4-6 years. They started producing top stuff after investing about 200m. But the thing to note is that almost all of their serious money signings worked out and improved their team. No real flops in this list.
Firmino 41m
Mane 42m
Wijnaldum 28m
Van Dijk 85m
Salah 42m
Chamberlain 38m
Alisson 63m
Keita 60m
Fabinho 45m
Diogo Jota 45m
Thiago 22m
Konate 40m
Luiz Diaz 45m
That's 600m. This is how much we need to invest in the next years to build a super-strong team with a deep squad and no real liabilities. Not all at once, but around 100-150m minimum every summer. For the next 4-6 years. And Liverpool made, on top of that medium and medium-high money buys, quite a few other low-money inspired buys like Matip, Milner, and promoted talents that proved to be big hits like Trent.
Now, let's say we have some talent that covers us on some positions, once they mature and stop getting injured all the time, like Pedri, Gavi, Araujo, and Fati. Those 4 work out big time and we look good to start with as in a solid core of young players with high ceiling, but we still talk about 3-4 years into the future, until these kids become men so to speak in both mind and body.
In those 3-4 years, we need to develop our game and shape our squad, and sign roughly: 1 top-class keeper, 2 new fullbacks, at least 1 world-class defender, 2 pure wingers to complement Ansu and Ferran who are not definitely not that profile, and one new defensive midfielder to replace Busquets. And find out what kind of striker we go for.
Those 6-8 new top players would require a good 400-500m to fund. 150m spending per summer for 2-3 years would get us close. But the thing is you need a 75% hit rate for the signings. And for that you need a staff that is great at spotting the right players for the manager to use. The manager tells the type of player that is needed, the technical directors present the options to go after.
What the club failed big time in was investing the key funds needed for a rebuild on Bartomeu's dumb as a rock galactico model with no real plan for the future. He sinked the club for 5-6 years on his own. No way we can get the kind of money to bounce back fast.
This is the schematics of it for the next 3-4 years. Who thinks we're gonna sign some free players and we're gonna challenge Real Madrid, City, Liverpool etc. is delusional.
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FinBarcelonafan
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The biggest problem for years has been our playing system which has sucked. Most of those Liverpool players would suck with past Barca (2017-2021). We need to develop new strategy how to play. New version of tiki taka. It's outdated now.
We need to develop new system and a proper team. Then find the right players to that strategy.
We need to develop new system and a proper team. Then find the right players to that strategy.
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ajnotkeith
Senior Member
May be alone here but tbh if we won't change club culture and we are still continuing to turn blind eye to players partying, being indisciplined and not giving 100% I couldn't care less about 2nd place or top4. Its just a financial objective anyway since we will probably get embarrassed again next year.
Next season, would rather every single unprofessional player is binned and never called up even for the bench until they straighten out and we play the kids, if it means we come 4th or even means we come in Europa spots. Xavi is simply continuing the toxic club culture of Valverde just to achieve a distant 2nd place.
It is a honour to play for Barcelona but we are not acting like it. Don't care if Pique is a good defender in Liga, not like he is saving us from European embarrassments, he can go to the bin if he wants to party every day and make business with Rubiales instead of being a professional. Same for Riqui, Mingueza and Nico who haven't added anything to the team whilst allegedly partying all the time, let them stay in Barcelona every game week until they respect the badge.
Next season, would rather every single unprofessional player is binned and never called up even for the bench until they straighten out and we play the kids, if it means we come 4th or even means we come in Europa spots. Xavi is simply continuing the toxic club culture of Valverde just to achieve a distant 2nd place.
It is a honour to play for Barcelona but we are not acting like it. Don't care if Pique is a good defender in Liga, not like he is saving us from European embarrassments, he can go to the bin if he wants to party every day and make business with Rubiales instead of being a professional. Same for Riqui, Mingueza and Nico who haven't added anything to the team whilst allegedly partying all the time, let them stay in Barcelona every game week until they respect the badge.
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Horatio
You're welcome
I think it will change, or maybe already in the process of change. You can't have Real, your rival, showcase these CL performances and not learn and take something from it. Club should feel at least "inspired" to deal with the mentality issues. If not, truly the most stubborn bunch.
Horatio
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I chuckled in moderation
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Few things here:
1-This are gross spending, with transfer market reported money with you approximating numbers to the higher ends, and transfermarket actually include all add-ons in the deal.
The number accurately then is 593.55M gross spending including add-ons. That happened through 7 years (7 summers + 7 winyer transfer markets).
2-This means around 85M per years (slightly less actually).
We have already spent 65M of those, and most likely we will spend far more than 20M in summer. So Xavi is put in better financial situation than Klopp tbh.
3-Also Barca is in better situation than Liverpool was in that year Klopp arrived in almost everything, and most of those deals happened in time that had football highest inflation rate. 65M for Torres is actually closer to VVD deal than Alison one IMO.
4-We have no City, Chelsea, United to compete with both financially and in the league , Atletico financial power is closer to Spurs than any of the above.
5- So domestically at least, Barca should never be in situation of waiting 3 or 4 years, never mind Liverpool was in CL final 2018, that is like 2024 for Xavi.
6-Klopp had 2 things for him, history and willingness to not lead the sporting project, the guy wanted Brandt over Salah and he conceded that the SD knew better. Xavi insisting on leading the project and having himself included in everything, the moment the project goes south he should be the one getting the axe because the club can't afford even more decline
Same way that if the club have success, he should be the one who takes enormous amount of credit, just like he did in our good run prior to fifa virus
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