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DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
Xavi's best years came with Eto'o playing the classic number nine role, staying near the opponent's centerbacks and making runs. I also remember Xavi saying in an interview how he liked playing with Ibrahimovic because he had a targetman who could control passes on the chest (he may have said something similar about Torres). Point is, he does his best when he has a classic number nine to play with. Ever since Barcelona started playing Messi as a false nine, his open play assists have gone down. One person posted a video in the Alba thread that illustrates this:


that's also when Messi as a false 9 was deadliest. Not only could Messi score, but with the CB's pushed up to mark him, he could play a pass behind the defense for Henry/Eto'o to run on to and then finish. That's why a false 9 works best with 2 wide forwards instead of out and out wingers. That system works best against park the bus teams because of the big attacking emphasis. However for the hard pressing teams putting Iniesta on the left side can function because of his ability to dummy a rushing, pressing defender out of position and then play a killer pass.
 
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Karnivore

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We had someone in that match who likes to take risks and love to move the ball forward, What good did that gave us? apart from losing the ball every couple of seconds, Thank god xavi was there to keep the possession you seem to ridicule, Otherwise we would have lost 4-0 or 5-0.

When Messi drops deep, NO ONE is up front. The risks then become pointless. The Spanish league doesn't exactly have a reputation for good defending, Europe it's a whole different ball game. Barcelona's 'pass until blue in the face' just doesn't work against well organised defences as it would in forcing defences to open in la Liga.

What was even more worrying for Barcelona is they were beaten at their own game. You know, hustling the opposition, winning the ball back and putting them under immense pressure.

By the way, what exactly is Sergio Busquets good for? He adds absoloutely nothing to Barcelona. Awful at breaking up play, doesn't protect a seriously weak backline and doesn't really have the licence to go and make things happen going forwards, not to mention he's got this irritating ability to overplay EVERYTHING. He's like Mikel, occassionally you'll see him do something useful, othertimes you just feel he's been majorly underused, which isn't to say he's a bad player, but he quite clearly isn't a good defensive midfielder, Mascherano is comfortably better.

In the second leg, Barcelona should consider dropping him completely and putting an extra body forwards so Messi doesn't have to drop so deep, perhaps play Fabregas or Iniesta behind the trio of Villa/Sanchez, pedro and Messi. Their backline is extremely slow - exploit it. Don't test them and they'll quite happily boot out poitnless crosses all evening.
 

Cule4life

The Culest
By the way, what exactly is Sergio Busquets good for?
:facepalm:
Then why does your dear Abramovich keep trying to lure him? he may have had a bad match but he is one of the best DM's in the world. You are showing your immaturity or lack of knowledge by judging him on one match
 
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Karnivore

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:facepalm:
Then why does your dear Abramovich keep trying to lure him? he may have had a bad match but he is one of the best DM's in the world. You are showing your immaturity or lack of knowledge by judging him on one match

1) Abramovich does not keep trying to lure him, what kind of bullshit have you been reading?

2) Look at the number of goals Barcelona are conceeding. They have the best squad, midfield and attack in Europe, Busquets does NOT protect that back four to even be considered one of the best defensive mids

Mascherano is a considerably better holding midfielder, watch him at Liverpool and the way he nullfied Kaka in the CL final in 2007. Instead, for some absurd reason, Barcelona think they're being clever making him a central defender!
 

Caps

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When Messi drops deep, NO ONE is up front.
Agreed. Our rotating is fabulous but the one area I have issue with is that when leo drops into MF, no one moves across. They stay on the wings. Pedro or Fabregas or whoever should be moving across (hack, even making a diagonal run across the back four if leo pulls them out of shape) and letting the wingback take their place on the wing until the attack advances, or we lose the ball.

The risks then become pointless. The Spanish league doesn't exactly have a reputation for good defending, Europe it's a whole different ball game. Barcelona's 'pass until blue in the face' just doesn't work against well organised defences as it would in forcing defences to open in la Liga.
Fair statement. However, a lot of the time it isnt working because of a view things not being done properlly, rather than the tactic itself being void. For example, 1. no one os mkaing the runs highlighted above- potentially allowing xavi to make cutting passes. 2. Our passing game does/will work, when we up the tempo., actually attemped proper counter attacks when the oportunity arises. or take a risk every now and then.

What was even more worrying for Barcelona is they were beaten at their own game. You know, hustling the opposition, winning the ball back and putting them under immense pressure.

Credit to ACM big time. But I'll be honest, I think their performance has been a little overrated. They were no where near as good as youd think listening to everyone. But yeah, they did well.

By the way, what exactly is Sergio Busquets good for? He adds absoloutely nothing to Barcelona.
.................................. say wa?
:lol:

Awful at breaking up play, doesn't protect a seriously weak backline and doesn't really have the licence to go and make things happen going forwards, not to mention he's got this irritating ability to overplay EVERYTHING. He's like Mikel, occassionally you'll see him do something useful, othertimes you just feel he's been majorly underused, which isn't to say he's a bad player, but he quite clearly isn't a good defensive midfielder, Mascherano is comfortably better.

No one, and I mean no one- is an amazing near perfect AM and an amazing near perfect DM. What Busi does is be very good at both, allowing xavi and iniesta the freedom to concentrate purely on possession and trying to manipulate the shape the opponent, while at the same time being good enough on the ball that he doesnt ruin our game plan of (and in fact outright improves): playing everything out from the back, keeping the ball on the ground, using a possession heavy game etc. In short, Busi is one of our most important players.
I cant take you this seriously after that.

In the second leg, Barcelona should consider dropping him completely and putting an extra body forwards so Messi doesn't have to drop so deep, perhaps play Fabregas or Iniesta behind the trio of Villa/Sanchez, pedro and Messi. Their backline is extremely slow - exploit it. Don't test them and they'll quite happily boot out poitnless crosses all evening.

If we drop Busi we are more likely to concede from open play and destroy all hope of progressing, depending on what the alternative is. My perferred lineup would be:

---Busquets----
-----------------
xavi--------ini---
------m----es--P
-------es----ta--e
vi-------s--------d
--l--l--a--i-------ro

But i cant see villa starting.
 

evilhita666

Barçapocalypse NOW!
He should play around 30 minutes tonight, I don't think it's healthy for him to start the match, but should get some time to get his groove back...
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
By the way, what exactly is Sergio Busquets good for? He adds absoloutely nothing to Barcelona. Awful at breaking up play, doesn't protect a seriously weak backline and doesn't really have the licence to go and make things happen going forwards, not to mention he's got this irritating ability to overplay EVERYTHING. He's like Mikel, occassionally you'll see him do something useful, othertimes you just feel he's been majorly underused, which isn't to say he's a bad player, but he quite clearly isn't a good defensive midfielder, Mascherano is comfortably better.

In the second leg, Barcelona should consider dropping him completely and putting an extra body forwards so Messi doesn't have to drop so deep, perhaps play Fabregas or Iniesta behind the trio of Villa/Sanchez, pedro and Messi. Their backline is extremely slow - exploit it. Don't test them and they'll quite happily boot out poitnless crosses all evening.

You dared to call Busquets useless AND compared him to Mikel??? If anything, he is our version of Claude Makelele with the added bonus of being a perfect one touch player and a great passer. Whenever the offensive players move around and roam in attack, he moves to cover the space and provide a safe passing option. He isn't your typical "tough and dirty defensive midfielder" who runs around like a dog and slides into tackles recklessly. He operates in a more technical role and gives all the other midfielders/attackers the creative freedom they need by acting as their safety cushion. He links the attack and the defense as a pivot and fits absolutely perfectly into the system.

Also, we're conceding like crazy because of the 2 attacking fullbacks and Mascherano (when he plays). Alves is too lazy to track back and is way too attack minded so he's always caught out of position or defending badly and Alba isn't far back enough to allow the CB's to cover for Alves. Mascherano is constantly caught out of position when he runs forward to make a tackle and leaves miles of space for the opponent to make use of. Not all the goals are because of these two things, but a good deal of them have been caused by it. Also our team has a huge inability to defend from set pieces and we almost always concede to a header from a far post cross. Busquets isn't at fault at all. If anything he keeps us from conceding even more because of the way he stabilizes the midfield.
 

misterplatin

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By the way, what exactly is Sergio Busquets good for? He adds absoloutely nothing to Barcelona. Awful at breaking up play, doesn't protect a seriously weak backline and doesn't really have the licence to go and make things happen going forwards, not to mention he's got this irritating ability to overplay EVERYTHING. He's like Mikel, occassionally you'll see him do something useful, othertimes you just feel he's been majorly underused, which isn't to say he's a bad player, but he quite clearly isn't a good defensive midfielder, Mascherano is comfortably better.

In the second leg, Barcelona should consider dropping him completely and putting an extra body forwards so Messi doesn't have to drop so deep, perhaps play Fabregas or Iniesta behind the trio of Villa/Sanchez, pedro and Messi. Their backline is extremely slow - exploit it. Don't test them and they'll quite happily boot out poitnless crosses all evening.

First part is clearly wrong. If you consider a team like Dortmund which doesn't want possession but needs holding midfielder to only tackle,intercept and move the ball quickly from ball recovery point to attack ,then you can use 'useless' for Busquets.That too might be extreme .

Second part may be right as we really need some athletic B2B holding midfielder instead of a static DM. The game can be played with Busi too but when Milan defend so deep then his service is not needed most of the time plus he adds no incisiveness .However if Masch or Song are better in that situation is difficult to tell . I would like to see Masch starting as a sweeper DM to break Milan's quick counters which is prime concern.It is something he does much better than Busquets .
 

raskolnikov

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Anyone else laughed when they were giving Xavi instructions when he was about to come in?:lol:
I asked my friend what the hell they were telling him he doesnt know much better.
Like a local checkers champion preparing a grandmaster.
 
When Messi drops deep, NO ONE is up front. The risks then become pointless. The Spanish league doesn't exactly have a reputation for good defending, Europe it's a whole different ball game. Barcelona's 'pass until blue in the face' just doesn't work against well organised defences as it would in forcing defences to open in la Liga.

What was even more worrying for Barcelona is they were beaten at their own game. You know, hustling the opposition, winning the ball back and putting them under immense pressure.

By the way, what exactly is Sergio Busquets good for? He adds absoloutely nothing to Barcelona. Awful at breaking up play, doesn't protect a seriously weak backline and doesn't really have the licence to go and make things happen going forwards, not to mention he's got this irritating ability to overplay EVERYTHING. He's like Mikel, occassionally you'll see him do something useful, othertimes you just feel he's been majorly underused, which isn't to say he's a bad player, but he quite clearly isn't a good defensive midfielder, Mascherano is comfortably better.

In the second leg, Barcelona should consider dropping him completely and putting an extra body forwards so Messi doesn't have to drop so deep, perhaps play Fabregas or Iniesta behind the trio of Villa/Sanchez, pedro and Messi. Their backline is extremely slow - exploit it. Don't test them and they'll quite happily boot out poitnless crosses all evening.

Sergio is only the guy who has pretty much bossed every AM since the Inter 2010 Semi Finals, Masch has played as a dm for us a few times, Apart from the Arsenal 2011 second leg I think Mash himself would rather forget most of these outings
 

evilhita666

Barçapocalypse NOW!
Thiago should be playing more often... It's kind of hard watching Xavi struggle so much, maybe it's health issues, but we should really consider a near future that doesn't depend on him so much...
 

Indignado

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He's just not up to speed anymore. How is it that a 32 year old player plays every game? Thiago was better in the little time he played than Xavi in the whole match. Applies to Tello as well.
 
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