Xavi Hernández

[serghei]

Very young talented players get rated very very high on trasnfermarkt. It's not something new.

Fati was rated at 90m not long ago for example.

Those are just orientative numbers based on growth estimations in the future.

The relevant numbers are money paid on players in the present.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Very young talented players get rated very very high on trasnfermarkt. It's not something new.

Fati was rated at 90m not long ago for example.

Those are just orientative numbers based on growth estimations in the future.

The relevant numbers are money paid on players in the present.

So if 90m was paid for Pedri or Gavi currently then it would make them worth it?

 

[serghei]

So if 90m was paid for Pedri or Gavi currently then it would make them worth it?

For the team that pay that sort of money, certainly. But not necessarily in the present. He is still a very young player.

Take Dembele's case. He cost a lot as a potential world class talent since his Dortmund days. Over 100m. He was once seen as a near
Mbappe level talent.

Once it became obvious that he is not gonna be world class, and he reached his mid 20s... his value declined by a lot.

Young players are rated and bought based on potential for the future. Some pan out, some don't. Probably most don't confirm expectations.

 

[Givenchy]

United is also up there, and they have shitty squad. Point being market value can be highly deceiving to determine squad quality.

Barca lacks quality to be alongside best teams of Europe. And that is quite telling considering at least for me, we are probably seeing the biggest dip in quality of top squads across the Europe, to the point of being historic. That includes Real Madrid.

Whilst I agree with bolded somewhat, the top teams in Europe usually have world class or at least experienced managers.. Barca on the other hand hired a novice and sold the clubs future so said novice manager could land his targets who, by and large, aren't good enough.

Many of our players though would look a lot better under a manager with a clue imo

 

[vegitot]

That's the key here, the squad is fucking thin. Also a lot of our value is in very young players that aren't ready to deliver for a whole season. Then add the ridiculous holes like DM. And arguably the worst offense out of any top club (bar Chelsea and United if you want to call them that).

THere's always the argument to be made that this is on Xavi due to his transfers, but we haven't really spend obscenely in attack. 150m is just not an awful lot for a whole front-line (+depth). It's not like we had acceptable forwards and spend 150m on top. We had nothing. Raphina has been a good transfer (I will die on that hill) - the only good one, which says it all.

Also people need to look at other teams before slandering Xavi too much:
1) Real: Just lost the League to Xavi. We create more this season, but they get the results (a bit like us last year).
2) City: Insane squad, most successful team right now, but they had a shocking run of games this season in the League.
3) Arsenal downright bottled the League last year.
4) Better not talk about the meme teams like United, Chelsea, BVB...
5) Bayern kind of sucks with a "better" coach and more resources + Harry Kane.
6) Overachievers like Tottenham (not anymore xD) or Girona have to show consistency.. jury's out.
7) Nearly forgot Liverpool with the god himself Klopp, but that's cause they completely shit the bed last year and are irrelevant in Europe for now.

The current squad is thin and not full of world class players. But other top clubs also have same problem. RM have a lot of injuries now, for example.

 

[Kul_z]

Transfermarkt is reliable, but the bigger club a player plays, the more his price gets inflated. If Khvicha of Napoli is valued at 80m there, at Barca he'd be 120m. You get the picture.

Indeed, but its not us against the world, so does players in madrid, city, qsg, liverpool.
Point is, our fanbase think that grass is always greener on the other side, guess what, it isnt. Those teams also have a lot of young players with inflated prices.

 

[Kul_z]

That's the key here, the squad is fucking thin. Also a lot of our value is in very young players that aren't ready to deliver for a whole season. Then add the ridiculous holes like DM.

With those points i agree. Although, that isnt the reason why we should be conciding that amount of goals left and right and losing to the antwerp and shakhtar in cl. When you see the list of team from this season that had beaten us it looks bad, very very bad.

 

[serghei]

The squad is not only thin. It's also lacking some top players in several positions.

 

[Kul_z]

The squad is not only thin. It's also lacking some top players in several positions.

bahaha. Uhm, nope, you have all the ingredients, the thing that is lacking is a chef to cook them. Unfortunately, our chef is a son of a fast food owner that has a shop on one of the most attractive location and he thinks that he knows a thing or two how to make the burger but doesnt know how to bring the burger to the table.

 

[NKMaribor]

Whilst I agree with bolded somewhat, the top teams in Europe usually have world class or at least experienced managers.. Barca on the other hand hired a novice and sold the clubs future so said novice manager could land his targets who, by and large, aren't good enough.

Many of our players though would look a lot better under a manager with a clue imo

Xavi is brutally average at best, and Barca would look susbstantially better with solid coach. Still it is just one part of the equation. Squad issues are as much problematic as coach issue.

 

[BJJ]

Let us have a look at Aston Villa. They looked absolutely shite under Gerrard. They brought in Emery and he dramatically transformed the team with essentially the same team.
Same thing happened with Flick transforming Bayern and leading them to a treble.
There are weak points in the squad but these are players Xavi signed so he shouldn't be complaining.
Also against Real and Athletico we actually looked good in the first half.
Xavi has had enough time and money to fix things. Time to move on from him.

 

[serghei]

The only problem with that theory is that Barca weren't shit under Xavi, and won 2 titles last season, one of which being a league title.

So, if that's your bottom requirement, I pity the guy that is gonna be named after Xavi.

Sorry, these arguments are foolish. But don't fret about it, you need to be patient, Xavi is not gonna stay for long anyway. He already spent 2 years on the job. His time is up soon. You can see the stress of the job piling up on him.

 

[Messigician]

1 and a half years

The only problem with that theory is that Barca weren't shit under Xavi, and won 2 titles last season, one of which being a league title.

So, if that's your bottom requirement, I pity the guy that is gonna be named after Xavi.

Sorry, these arguments are foolish. But don't fret about it, you need to be patient, Xavi is not gonna stay for long anyway. He already spent 2 years on the job. His time is up soon. You can see the stress of the job piling up on him.

 

[serghei]

1 and a half years

Named in november 2021 no?

 

[NKMaribor]

The only problem with that theory is that Barca weren't shit under Xavi, and won 2 titles last season, one of which being a league title.

So, if that's your bottom requirement, I pity the guy that is gonna be named after Xavi.

Sorry, these arguments are foolish. But don't fret about it, you need to be patient, Xavi is not gonna stay for long anyway. He already spent 2 years on the job. His time is up soon. You can see the stress of the job piling up on him.

The issue with your narrative being not taking in the account how bad Real was and that Xavi was experiencing brutal positive variance.

I see Xavi going back to the desert, because i don’t see what club from top leagues would take him?