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Gazzznigga

Gazzznigga

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serghei said:
Wether Xavi was a good coach or not is open to interpretation. What matters is that he was a champion coach for us in very difficult circumstances. Champion and "not even decent" are two ideas that do not mix well for reasonable people.
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For example and context, Roberto Di Matteo is considered decent coach worldwide(by all critics), just on the shoulder of winning a historic Champions league in a difficult situation too(won nothihg after and disappeared).

Dont think Xavi comes close in achievement except in deluded minds .

And If you placed Xavi ahead of Di Matteo in any ranking, then you would have crossed the line demarcating decent and good, after which is great, and we know Xavis was neither good nor great as a Barca coach. He never won a champions league to be considered "decent" enough.

He was a great player and a legend of immeasurable proportion for Barca, but as a coach, he was not great nor good and even to be labelled decent is arguable. Just like Diego Maradona and other great players that never achieved close to proportion of their status as a player.
 
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vegitot

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MonteCuler said:
Then managed to misuse him for 2 seasons before eventually discovering he should not hug the touchline at the very end

Then of course managed to get praised for it by some although a competent coach would have done it from the start
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He surely didn't play like this when he was with Leeds. Neither ever with Brazil NT. Only from last season when Xavi started this trend.

Check his heatmap and see yourself.
 
serghei

serghei

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Gazzznigga said:
For example and context, Roberto Di Matteo is considered decent coach worldwide(by all critics), just on the shoulder of winning a historic Champions league in a difficult situation too(won nothihg after and disappeared).

Dont think Xavi comes close in achievement except in deluded minds .

And If you placed Xavi ahead of Di Matteo in any ranking, then you would have crossed the line demarcating decent and good, after which is great, and we know Xavis was neither good nor great as a Barca coach. He never won a champions league to be considered "decent" enough.

He was a great player and a legend of immeasurable proportion for Barca, but as a coach, he was not great nor good and even to be labelled decent is arguable. Just like Diego Maradona and other great players that never achieved close to proportion of their status as a player.
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Roberto Di Matteo didn't win any league titles. You can get lucky in Champions League, especially when you have match-winners like Drogba providing clutch goals at the right moment, keepers like Petr Cech, or defenders like that Chelsea side had. But, over 38 games, you have to be the best in the competition to win it. Luck factor goes down by a lot in league format.
 
jamrock

jamrock

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Imagine thinking Roberto Di Matteo winning the CL is more difficult that winning a league title.

SMH.

The things you hear on your for people to push their narratives

This is akin to winning the league was a fluke.
 
serghei

serghei

Senior Member
jamrock said:
Imagine thinking Roberto Di Matteo winning the CL is more difficult that winning a league title.

SMH.

The things you hear on your for people to push their narratives

This is akin to winning the league was a fluke.
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It is tremendously difficult to win CL, but that Chelsea team had 5-6 incredible players tbh. It's not like he took over some bums and he won CL with them.

jamrock said:
Not even decent and winning a league title definitely doesn't go in the same sentence.
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2022-23 Barcelona and Simeone's Atletico, especially the 2020-21 side, were the weakest teams to win league titles in Spain in the last 2 decades. The manager's role in achieving those results was very very high.

When Xavi took the team in November 2021, we were a hot mess. We weren't even good enough to qualify from CL groups. Not even good enough to win EL.
 
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