9 - Robert Lewandowski

And, again, explain it to me - if modern football is so far superior to past football, are you saying that Jesse Lingard was a better player than George Best?

Do you not 'get' that a player can be born a genius in 1946 and another player can be born mediocre (relative to the older player) in 1992? And both make it to the top of the game in their respective eras?

It reminds me of the time I seen some clueless fuck claim Pele would struggle to make Norwich's bench these days (even if trained up to modern standards). Too many morons have been brainwashed by this 'modern football is amazing, old football is bollocks' garbage and make completely OTT statements!

Maradona37 said:

It's still a boring as fuck, lazy as fuck, modern fan, recency bias analysis.

You acted like past football was rubbish, which couldn't be further from the truth. I would bet my last pound that you haven't watched a single full 90 minutes of any game pre 1990.

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So many words just to confirm your bias against RL9. Just admit that you dont like the fact that he is the second best player ever after Messi 👁️👄👁️

Maradona37 said:

It's still a boring as fuck, lazy as fuck, modern fan, recency bias analysis.

You acted like past football was rubbish, which couldn't be further from the truth. I would bet my last pound that you haven't watched a single full 90 minutes of any game pre 1990.

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Just like you haven’t watched single Lewy game in Bundesliga 🙄

JustAnotherBarcaFan said:

Just like you haven’t watched single Lewy game in Bundesliga 🙄

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You fucking millenial piece of shit without any football knowledge. Listen, you moron

JustAnotherBarcaFan said:

Just like you haven’t watched single Lewy game in Bundesliga 🙄

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Actually I have. I seen plenty of him in the Bundesliga. Mainly because I loved watching Robben. And I have complimented him in this thread. But I won't accept claims he's better than Romario or Gerd Muller.

It's a false premise you put forward, because I could easily watch Lewy play for Bayern and Dortmund 10-12 years ago just by putting on my TV. Whereas a guy like you actually has to actively seek out old games because of the paucity of availability, unless you know where to look.

And as you have aptly demonstrated, you clearly have no interest in doing so. Because you disrespect past football and are ignorant of it, vastly.

And again, tell me again how Jesse Lingard is better than George Best because he 'played in the more professional, scientific era'...because that is what you imply with blanket statements like players are better now.

Maradona37 said:

Actually I have. I seen plenty of him in the Bundesliga. Mainly because I loved watching Robben. And I have complimented him in this thread. But I won't accept claims he's better than Romario or Gerd Muller.

It's a false premise you put forward, because I could easily watch Lewy play for Bayern and Dortmund 10-12 years ago just by putting on my TV. Whereas a guy like you actually has to actively seek out old games because of the paucity of availability, unless you know where to look.

And as you have aptly demonstrated, you clearly have no interest in doing so. Because you disrespect past football and are ignorant of it, vastly.

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Anyway, instead of snide little straw men and deflections, answer the question.

Have you watched any full 90 minutes before the nineties? To come to the conclusions you have?

I have watched extensively games in the 80s, and full games from the 70s and 60s too, and even a few from the 50s. Plus I have watched loads of modern football.

What next? Semenyo is better than Ronaldinho because he 'played in a later, more scientific era'? Bruno Fernandes better than Platini? Courtois better than Yashin?

Fuds. 'JustAnotherLewyFan'.

Maradona37 said:

And, again, explain it to me - if modern football is so far superior to past football, are you saying that Jesse Lingard was a better player than George Best?

Do you not 'get' that a player can be born a genius in 1946 and another player can be born mediocre (relative to the older player) in 1992? And both make it to the top of the game in their respective eras?

It reminds me of the time I seen some clueless fuck claim Pele would struggle to make Norwich's bench these days (even if trained up to modern standards). Too many morons have been brainwashed by this 'modern football is amazing, old football is bollocks' garbage and make completely OTT statements!

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My intention was to have a genuine discussion about past football but know I see that it was a mistake. Maybe you were triggered before and I posted my message in a wrong time, but all I see is that you insulted me for no reason and put words in my mouth which I haven’t said. And I haven’t insulted you. Just wanted a discussion, but without insults, and on this forum it’s impossible I guess

JustAnotherBarcaFan said:

My intention was to have a genuine discussion about past football but know I see that it was a mistake. Maybe you were triggered before and I posted my message in a wrong time, but all I see is that you insulted me for no reason and put words in my mouth which I haven’t said. And I haven’t insulted you.

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Funny how you're saying "I haven't insulted you" when I can clearly see that you didn't agree with him after his first response.

JustAnotherBarcaFan said:

My intention was to have a genuine discussion about past football but know I see that it was a mistake. Maybe you were triggered before and I posted my message in a wrong time, but all I see is that you insulted me for no reason and put words in my mouth which I haven’t said. And I haven’t insulted you.

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You acted like modern football is the gold standard and incredible (it really, really is not, trust me), and even though you were diplomatic about it, it's clear you were implying old football is crap and old players do not compare to modern players.

What you don't seem to understand is that first touch, dribbling, passing, vision, technique, football IQ are all QUALITATIVE traits that - unlike fitness and physicality - do not necessarily get better over time. A player can be born a technical wizard in the 1940s, and another player can be born a technical leper in the 1990s.

So the natural conclusion from what you write is that Lingard and Rashford are better than Maradona and Best because they played in a more professional era. Or if that is too disingenuous for you (because Rashford and Lingard are poor players), that the best players of now - Haaland, Mbappe, Vinicius - are better than Maradona, Best and Pele. And clearly, anyone who genuinely believes that is fucking certifiable.

But according to you it's true.

You obviously cannot put your own point across properly, so I will do it for you: what you mean is the average, mundane player is better now than the average player from the past. I can see that argument. But that doesn't mean that lots of good and elite players weren't way better back then than plenty are now. You make blanket implications that players now are superior generally to players then.

Also, you have form for Lewy worship in this thread, hence me assuming this is all some sort of argument to imply Lewy is better than Pele because he 'played in a more professional advanced era'...

Maradona37 said:

Also, you have form for Lewy worship in this thread, hence me assuming this is all some sort of argument to imply Lewy is better than Pele.

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Bro, Lewandowski is way better than Pele. Like, what did Pele do in 2025? Hes fucking dead while Lewandowski is still in elite form banging goals for fun in FC Barcelona.

JustAnotherBarcaFan said:

Just wanted a discussion, but without insults, and on this forum it’s impossible I guess

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Stop playing innocent. You didn't want a discussion. I have offered plenty of points which you have constantly refused to refute, so you clearly do not want a discussion (because you haven't got a worthwhile retort).

You wanna push the idea that modern football is oh so amazing and old football is oh so bad purely so you can claim your man crush 'Lewy' is better than Puskas, Pele, Van Basten, Eusebio, Muller, Romario etc.

It's obvious what you were trying to do.

And, again, you know fuck all about football history so stop acting like you do.

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Fuds. 'JustAnotherLewyFan'.

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Didn’t you see that I said „in my opinion”? So if I have opinion on something which we both cannot prove then I’m lying? ok 🙄

Once again: I haven’t said anything about Lewy. It was general opinion to your post, about comparing players.

And in one you’re right: I wanted to say that and average modern player is better the average old era player…. and that’s why it’s more difficult to be „the best” nowadays