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Trophies IMO. Because you look at Atletico Madrid, They have huge players, Simao, Forlan, Aguero, Maxi, but they aren't considered that good, because of lack of trophies

I would say as a national team it is Austria or Switzerland. But national leagues, it would be Germany

06-07 Eto'o Ronaldinho homes, Messi away 05-06 Puyol Home 08-9 Messi home and away, Xavi home and away, henry home. 09-10 Ibrahimovic, pedro home

No matter how good he is, he downed liverpool with two goals, thats class

1. Barcelona 2. Valencia 3. Real Madrid 4. Villareal