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i think its from the start of the 2019-2020 season, so not really relevant

according to Whoscored: 22 KP in 855 minutes in LL, and in the CL 16 in 360 minutes, total is 2,81 KP/P90 is lower then in 2018-19 i think

so not much different to the current Barca then in terms of financial power....

Damn, this Barca team is shit.

Not to me, a club is just an entity, its the players and the football being played that matters to me.

Can you really have a honest and nuanced argument when one camp starts with an obvious agenda against Messi? Impossible to find common ground so there's no reall debate just pointless repetition and seeing who can shout the loudest....

I will criticise a player i'm fan of when it its warrented, i've been saying since early 2020 that Messi's finishing has been poor for example... But i will repeat a couple of years of mediocrity for FC Barcelona will do all barca fanboys some good, might make you realise that no club is...

Messi played a huge part in making Barca the nr 1 (or top 2 with Madrid) footballing brand in the world. All you barca fanboys are simply delusional thinking that Barca anno 1999 had the same standing in the (football) world as Barca anno 2016 for example. And i remember those times. A couple...

The champions league exits were bad but at least Barca dominated the league and made it to back 2 back Copa finals, Messi was still the best player in the world, the team was competitive. Barca will be lucky to get back to that level.

Because Messi played a far bigger role in building Barca's brand of beautifull football and succes then Ronaldo ever did. Without Messi (or Guardiola, Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar, Suarez) and without the recent chaos at the club... simply delusional. Barca are now seen as a badly run club Not...

You're becoming delusional, a declining team and club, without their biggest player ever, or without another superstar to somewhat replace him means less income from sponshorship, less fans and tourists (after Covid), less tv money, less merchandising... No way they will maintain their spot of...

against teams of really low quality plus had Barca not conceded so early the game could have looked entirely different

Are they even allowed too? I doubt it.

haha, he was the best player yesterday (even though mediocre in the 2e half), just face it, this team will be lucky to qualify for the CL at the end of the season

Absolutely agree but you are talking to someone who resents Messi for not winning him more CL-trophies.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/barcelona/story/4253454/barcelona-are-in-ruins-and-messino-matter-where-his-future-liescan-do-nothing-to-save-the-club-he-loves

He really should have been allowed to leave, would have been best for everyone. Almost no chance he stays now, there is no money to built a competitive team any time soon. thats the reality, Barca is broke

neither does City or Barca right now. PSG just made the finals actually.

i think you mean Jordan for Lebron

He is but i have at least 5 or 6 players ahead of him, his career value is top 5 ever for shure, maybe top 3 but his peak level and his skill level are not. Just like Maradona's peak and skill level is top 2 ever, but lacks the career value and statistical dominance (of the likes Pele, Messi...