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What makes you think he's a natural born leader? Again in his 30's he seems to be making a few more hand signals here and there but he's hardly Roy Keane

Well to be fair he did well against juve and chelsea but he has really only become a consistent big game player in his 30's.

Well it would be lucky if the voters consider the nations league as a big achievement. It should be nothing more than guaranteed euro qualification. Copa America is a proper tournament with more pressure and fatigue involved

I haven't liked any of the jerseys since 2015 but this is just too much. Have the club ever had a chequered design on any jersey before?

We played better in the second half because we had a proper attacker on the right and Valencia were tiring anyway. I'm really worried valverde will not trust Arthur now but he has to play. Himself and busquets are ou4 bravest midfielders on the ball. Right from the start yesterday he was...

Ok well let's just say Messi has been the best player in the champions league this season and in the league so that's why he deserves it

I'm a big fan of vvd but if we had put away one of those 3 chances Messi created against him and his defence we wouldn't be having this conversation

Don't think so. Messi looks as angry as he ever has when losing a game. Yere all seeing things if ye think that's not the case

What really pissed me off today was his laxidasicelness on the ball. On a few occasions he just let the ball move across him thinking he had so much time and losing it. It's as if he thinks la liga players are slower to close down than premier league ones even though that's a myth

Winning the ball back after giving it away used to be a trademark of his but I'm guessing he needs the energy for other things seen as he's older. Anyway no blame for the loss on him today really. He played well especially in the second half. That shot off the post would've been an amazing goal...

I sort of agree but you can't defend him for playing 3 defensive midfielders in both games. It was clear in the first game it did not work and we were lucky they didn't score a few. If Arthur had started at anfield I'm pretty sure we would be in the final.

If all he's doing is making runs off the ball against Liverpool when would he have had the opportunity to create those 3 clear chances. Seen as our midfield was dominated mainly because Arthur didn't play and we didn't get many opportunity to play through balls it didn't really matter. Anyway...

Exactly. People still think Messi doesn't make runs. He does all the time it's just he likes to get the ball to feet a lot as well and that's the way it should be. Ronaldo doesn't have as much ability on the ball as messi so he likes to make more runs and he obviously has that aerial ability so...

You mean 3 finals to real Madrid and portugal. He did practically as much in those finals as Ronaldo did

He knows his limits and running around too much is just going to ruin other parts of his game. He has won plenty mostly walking in games so it's what he feels is the best thing to do

What do you want him to do. Run all over the pitch looking for the ball. Walking until the team gets the ball in and around him has worked well for him so far. He also makes good runs at the right time like he did today on a few occasions.He also chases and tackles players every now and again...

Don't forget all the chances created as well. Many that werent put away like the four or five clear ones against liverpool

I have stuck up for valverde at times but he has to take most of the blame for the champions league exit. Mainly for starting 3 defensive midfielders in both games. He should have recognised that we were outplayed in the midfield in the first leg and were lucky to have such a big lead and then...

Captain would have to be a guaranteed starter. Next year our midfield should be Arthur busquets and de jong. That's a midfield that will get hold of the ball unlike the one in the two games against liverpool

Where is banega? Good player and he always links with messi well. Hopefully le celso starts in this tournament coz he's quality