10 - Lionel Messi - v5

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Ritchie

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As long as they do at least as well as Penaldo's Portugal and then win the Copa in Brazil a year later. Ronaldo's still got 2016 over him.

Huge importance last night and Messi was always going to have to do it on his own. His critics would have always held it over him had Argentina not qualified and 2018 Ballon D'or lost straight away which would have meant 6-5 Ronaldo.

The state of Argentina and Barcelona is threatening to spoil his legacy. He's overcome a big hurdle at least.
 
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Well, if Augero is healthy and in form he should straight replace Benedetto. With Dybala it's more complicated. But if Messi is still in form of his life at the WC and Aguero is in form like before the car crash, the attack should be good. The only thing they must avoid are defensive brainfarts and they have a shot. There is also question what formation will they play. I would go with 4-3-1-2 with the front 3 of Messi at CAM, and Icardi and Augero as strikers.
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No, Messi as CAM is a terrible choice as shown in previous matches. Him being in the center makes him easy to track and marked by the horde of defenders. Many teams have figured that out and will always find ways to stop him. He should stay upfront as a "RW" but still function as a full false 9. Defenders will get confused ultimately allowing Messi to exploit the situation.

433 or 343 is still the best. Argentina always lack width. I would still put Di Maria, Aguero and Messi upfront. Benega, Bigilia, Paredes and the rest can take care of the midfield.
 
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Ritchie said:
As long as they do at least as well as Penaldo's Portugal and then win the Copa in Brazil a year later. Ronaldo's still got 2016 over him.

Huge importance last night and Messi was always going to have to do it on his own. His critics would have always held it over him had Argentina not qualified and 2018 Ballon D'or lost straight away which would have meant 6-5 Ronaldo.

The state of Argentina and Barcelona is threatening to spoil his legacy. He's overcome a big hurdle at least.
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At least Barcelona can resolve their issues through transfers. Argentina can’t...
 
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DonAK said:
People are starting to realize how shit Argentina truly are.
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The youth development has been shocking since Messi's generation which is the problem.

Brazil have Ederson (24), Alisson (25), Danilo (26) Alex Sandro (26), Jemerson (25) Marquinhos (23), Casemiro (25), Coutinho (25), Douglas Costa (27), Jesus (20), Neymar (25), Firmino (26) all established at top European clubs and the national sides. And you know over the next few years they'll produce more and they still have top talent over 28. That's a full team of quality players and they'd near enough all get in the Argentina side. What would they give for most of those players? Yet Messi has had nothing coming through to work with since he broke through a decade ago.

What have Argentina got under 28 at top European sides? Dybala and Icardi and Inter aren't even in Europe. Two forwards who are yet to even score for Argentina. The rest are all older than Messi or around his age like Aguero.
 
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henias said:
No, Messi as CAM is a terrible choice as shown in previous matches. Him being in the center makes him easy to track and marked by the horde of defenders. Many teams have figured that out and will always find ways to stop him. He should stay upfront as a "RW" but still function as a full false 9. Defenders will get confused ultimately allowing Messi to exploit the situation.

433 or 343 is still the best. Argentina always lack width. I would still put Di Maria, Aguero and Messi upfront. Benega, Bigilia, Paredes and the rest can take care of the midfield.
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Think you need to research what a False 9 is... In a False 9 system their is no dedicated striker so what you’re proposing cannot be that. Also, you do realise that under Sampaoli Messi hasn’t played as a RW. Di Maria/Dybala and Messi have been played as attacking midfielders in the 3-4-2-1 system and he played as sole attacking midfielder against Peru in the 4-2-3-1 system. Edit: Having Messi in the centre as a False 9 or number 10 offers more midfield control too. If they’re going to play False 9 then I’d go Correa (LW) Messi (False 9) Dybala or Di Maria (RW).

Playing Messi as RW is always going to expose you defensively too due to his instinctive drifting towards the centre of the pitch. Ask Lucho, he knows all about it.
 
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henias

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MessiCam said:
Think you need to research what a False 9 is... In a False 9 system their is no dedicated striker so what you’re proposing cannot be that. Also, you do realise that under Sampaoli Messi hasn’t played as a RW. Di Maria/Dybala and Messi have been played as attacking midfielders in the 3-4-2-1 system and he played as sole attacking midfielder against Peru in the 4-2-3-1 system. Edit: Having Messi in the centre as a False 9 or number 10 offers more midfield control too. If they’re going to play False 9 then I’d go Correa (LW) Messi (False 9) Dybala or Di Maria (RW).

Playing Messi as RW is always going to expose you defensively too due to his instinctive drifting towards the centre of the pitch. Ask Lucho, he knows all about it.
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U think I dont know that? And didnt u read? I said "RW" QUOTE, UNQUOTE. Go analyse the Ecaudor match. On paper he seems to be a RW but off the ball, Messi drifts to the RW position, making him hard to track and seem to disappear off the the radar... only to collect the ball in the middle. Benedetto didnt seem to function as a striker role as well, he drifts to the right when Messi has the ball to act as a decoy for defenders. Theres ultimately no hard and fast rule in these tactics, however u want it to be played out and what u want it to be called, be it traditional or modern or hybrid. I still think he shouldnt be stuck to the CAM role, it will only push him further deeper and cant have the freedom to roam around. Peru tracked him with ease and he was pushed very deep in the middle.
 
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