10 - Lionel Messi - v5

[JamDav1982]

That would be only logical due to the pressure but its actially the other way around I think. He missed a shitload in pointless copa games but always scored in classico’s cl ko’s (bar chelsea+city) and nt penalties /shoot outs (bar chille last time).

How many pens he scored in CL knockouts?

 

[behindbrowneyes]

Can he progress in that aspect ? Because I feel like he didn't during the past years.

Difficult. Messi is an instinctive footballer and at penalties he has too much time to think what to do. At least he could train them and bring a variety into them.

 

[raskolnikov]

How many pens he scored in CL knockouts?

Top of my head he scored 6 and missed two.

 

[CanadianBlaugrana]

Agreed JamDav1982, the last Copa America Final comes to mind.

 

[JamDav1982]

Top of my head he scored 6 and missed two.

Haha top of your head?

Guess it is relevant what of those pens had anything at stake.

 

[raskolnikov]

Haha top of your head?

Guess it is relevant what of those pens had anything at stake.

Arsenal twice, milan twice, psg once, city once. But thats the point if its a malaga away 80minute penalty at 0-0 while we are level in points 3 games before the end for ecample thats way more pressure than a cl return where this first match was 3-0.

 

[Kerrybai]

Including shootouts he has 23 misses..... what do we consider pressure kicks ?

Copa final, Chelsea , Sevilla 11/12 , valencia cup 11/12, Atletico 13/14 super cup ?? Man City away, bilbao 15/16 league opener, espanyol cup.

 

[raskolnikov]

Agreed JamDav1982, the last Copa America Final comes to mind.

He scored in the copa america in 2011 vs uruguay in a shoot out, was the only guy to score vs Chile the year before the initial miss. He isnt the bottler you guys make him out to be. Not to say he is le tissier when it comes to important penalties but its way more likely he will score than misss. You just renember misses more if your team loses.
Most people dont even know Ronaldo missed against us in the cl semi’s in 2008 where everyone knows about Messi’s miss against Chelsea.

 

[JamDav1982]

Arsenal twice, milan twice, psg once, city once. But thats the point if its a malaga away 80minute penalty at 0-0 while we are level in points 3 games before the end for ecample thats way more pressure than a cl return where this first match was 3-0.

Yeah obviously that would be more pressure kick.

No idea what the stats are but would still think he had missed more of the important ones.

 

[JamDav1982]

He scored in the copa america in 2011 vs uruguay in a shoot out, was the only guy to score vs Chile the year before the initial miss. He isnt the bottler you guys make him out to be. Not to say he is le tissier when it comes to important penalties but its way more likely he will score than misss. You just renember misses more if your team loses.
Most people dont even know Ronaldo missed against us in the cl semi’s in 2008 where everyone knows about Messi’s miss against Chelsea.

Never called anyone a bottler.

 

[raskolnikov]

Yeah obviously that would be more pressure kick.

No idea what the stats are but would still think he had missed more of the important ones.

Isnt it confirmation bias though? We fear messi to miss since we support Barca. We also remember misses more than converted penalties. Where as for me it feels like Ronaldo never misses. Obviously he is better at penalties but their records is way closer than you would think beforehand. To me it feels he is like balo while with Messi its like flipping a coin.

 

[Mitchell1978]

The penaltystats aren't hard to find and they show, like raskolnikov says, that when the stakes are high he has usually scored.

He's also 4 for 5 in penalty-shootouts for Argentina which isn't counted in the stats.

 

[JamDav1982]

The penaltystats aren't hard to find and they show, like raskolnikov says, that when the stakes are high he has usually scored.

He's also 4 for 5 in penalty-shootouts for Argentina which isn't counted in the stats.

I think everyone knows where to find them.

What are the stats that show when stakes are high his percentage improves?

 

[JamDav1982]

Isnt it confirmation bias though? We fear messi to miss since we support Barca. We also remember misses more than converted penalties. Where as for me it feels like Ronaldo never misses. Obviously he is better at penalties but their records is way closer than you would think beforehand. To me it feels he is like balo while with Messi its like flipping a coin.

Can remember a few Ronaldo has missed at big moments so not for me.

 

[raskolnikov]

Never called anyone a bottler.

You implied that he chokes more often under pressure by saying it would cause his conversion rate to drop significantly.
It doesnt really matter though. It seems his conversion rate stays similair to his overal percentage regardless if its a pressure kick or not. I think for a lot top penalty takers with a large number taken it would be different. Dont have stats to back it up. Just a feeling.