10 - Lionel Messi - v5

KingLeo10

Senior Member
Messi had played with much better players than Ronaldo prior to 2014 also and won more with likes of Xavi.

Ronaldo was man of the match in last years CL final not Modric.

Messi is better but Ronaldo is by far Reals best and most important player and he isnt a 'penalty box poacher' either.

I think the 08/09 squad that messi played with was probably the most stacked club squad in the history of the game.

The 09/10 and 10/11 squads were at par with real's 13/14 and 16/17 squads if not marginally better.

So, I think Messi has had a few exceptionally great squads but I think the average quality of the squad that CR7's played with in europe has been better over the last 10 years, mainly because he jumped ship from when united were great to when real were beginning to be great. I think the only "poor" one he's had to deal with was 09/10 real while barca have had some shocking years in 12/13 and 16/17.

regardless, both are great players and while I think messi is better, the two of them scoring 50-60 goals a season for 10 years irrespective of teammates speaks for itself.
 

gatsu

New member
Seriously I'm more than sick of those comparisons between Messi and Ronaldo. Debat should be banned from Barçaforum as Messi is on a league of his own, always has.
 

Obiaseti

New member
Any chance he gets a rest in the league before all our upcoming CL games. The break seems to have given him an extra gear. He was buzzing all over.
 

Total-Football

Senior Member
Seriously I'm more than sick of those comparisons between Messi and Ronaldo. Debat should be banned from Barçaforum as Messi is on a league of his own, always has.

Forget about comparing. Just the fact that some barca or football fan comes forwards and try somewhat to ""prove" or "convince" a retard or a brainwashed fanatic about messi's superiority makes me sick. I have only one response to my madridiots friends when they try to bait me. I always answer this:

" Let's argue about the color of the sky because that is way more worthy of an argument ".

If you start speaking about this shit they already won.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
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DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
Messi had played with much better players than Ronaldo prior to 2014 also and won more with likes of Xavi.

Ronaldo was man of the match in last years CL final not Modric.

Messi is better but Ronaldo is by far Reals best and most important player and he isnt a 'penalty box poacher' either.

Lol. Ronaldo was MOTM of that final only in name, definitely not in merit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuKTwraiz0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLJzkLwV1xM

All the evidence is in there.

Ronaldo only had 3 good actions the whole match. 2 one touch finishes, 1 of which was deflected and would've been a simple save for Buffon and the other which was created entirely by Modric. He also had one control+low cross that was close but didn't even find his target, and like 1 pass through slight pressure in the entire rest of the match. He lost every single duel and completed 0 dribbles, had 0 key passes or chances created. Didn't hold up the play or anchor the defensive line with his positioning or have any notable role on the ball really. He had less touches than frigging Buffon (22) and 3 turnovers.

Modric had several great runs and passes, long and short. He was defensively active and involved in several recoveries. Ronaldo's 2nd goal was created entirely by Modric's interception in the final third and then his great delivery for the low cross. It was Modric and Isco who took control in the 2nd half and won the midfield battle for RM after Juventus was all over them in the 1st half and had 0 turnovers the entire match despite having a way bigger role on the ball. He had 1 decisive gamechanging action to Ronaldo's 2 (and his was a lot more difficult) and completely eclipsed Ronaldo in terms of impact in every other area of the match. When you look at the details it's not even that close really, but I wouldn't expect you to look at the details.

Ronaldo has been RM's best contributor, but not by that much. And even then, you can make a pretty good argument that Modric played a bigger role in their most significant successes. Outperformed Ronaldo in all 3 CL finals and was THE key player in 2 of them while contributing to the clutch game-saving action of the other one. Multiple better performances in bigger games, etc.

I love Messi like God, but it's not like he had terrible players to play with, Xavi/Iniesta. Messi has had wonderful players playing with him as well, just like Ronaldo.

It's not just about how they played next to good players but rather how dependent they were on them for their individual performances and success. Even without Xavi, Messi has proven himself countless times to be a one man attacking machine that carries our offense. Whether it be goals, throughballs, dribbles, forward 1-2's, etc. he does it all consistently and his impact is clear.

Ronaldo's greatest successes came when he took on the most diminished role of his career and his impact was at its lowest. He had other players doing a lot of the offensive gruntwork and yet because he's the "face" of RM people equated his impact on them to Messi for Barca when it's clear that Ronaldo is just a great cog in the machine while Messi is a goddamn engine.

He'll go down top 10 all time, maybe fringe top 5. He is truly great, but when you're compared to someone like Leo you're likely gonna fall short in a lot of ways.
 

Horatio

You're welcome
On another forum some Madridista posted: "Messi scored twice benefitting from shaky keeping and had one lateral pass, aside from that he didn't contribute much."



lol
 

vlad

New member
Cant we just appricieate this guy and what he shows on the pitch without mentioning ronaldo in almost every comment?
 

Meatball

New member
Valverde should rest Messi more at this stage and give him one game off right before each CL incoming knock out game. But don't leave him at home, put him on the bench and make him watch.
 

NotInHere

New member
Barring injuries I can see Messi finally seperating himself from any comparison to any current/past player imo, you could tell he has mastered Football like no other, and he does it almost every week.

He just needs a WC to top it all off.
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
Barring injuries I can see Messi finally seperating himself from any comparison to any current/past player imo, you could tell he has mastered Football like no other, and he does it almost every week.

He just needs a WC to top it all off.

He really doesn't need anything. He is the GOAT with or without a WC.
 

booge

New member
I have to say he has been not at his best in the knock out stages of any tournament for a few years now.

This year that's changed. Have never seen him run and defend like that. He was pressing like a mad man.
 

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