10 - Lionel Messi - v5

JamDav1982

Senior Member
And if he doesnt get it like for half a season in La Liga? He will not do shit. This is such an amazing overreaction lol. Argentina is here JUST because of Messi. He scored hat trick in last match that took them to WC, even before that game, he was 90% of their qualis...

All players ever feed off their team mates and Ronaldo was getting service then he was just playing shite and missing chances for most part,

Can flip it and say what happens in latter stages of CL when Messi team mates dont step up to help him.
 

blaugrana1987

New member
Well. World Cup games would be a good moment to bang goals and prove you're elite scorer. CL latter stages would've been another, but we all know how that went in the last 4-5 years.
How many did Ronaldo score in last WC? But how did it go when Messi had good enough MF to play with in CL? He is playing with 3 MFs from which only Busquets would get into first 11 in Real team. Not even gonna go about all other positions and players they have at their disposal and we dont...its embarassing what this board did in transfer market. 40m Paulinho, 45m Gomez and neither can play in any decisive CL game.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Messi isn’t the problem.. the system and players around him are.

Imagine Messi as a CF for Real Madrid with Modric/Kroos behind him, the amount of space Madrid create, with Marcelo etc.

Real play with pace running away from ball on break and through cross after cross into box when teams sit deep.

Neither of which suit Messi.

It is not as simple as saying imagine Messi in this Real side. The Real side would have to totally change the way they play.
 

Shreddy

New member
People should stop overreacting like this. Cant believe how some barca fans are treating our greatest player ever and the one who brought us so many joy. Argentina are playing in the WC because of Leo and we are winning La liga and all those trophies because of Leo. Its not his fault he has to deal with a shit board and coach at Barca and a shit AFA and coach at Argentina.
 

blaugrana1987

New member
All players ever feed off their team mates and Ronaldo was getting service then he was just playing shite and missing chances for most part,

Can flip it and say what happens in latter stages of CL when Messi team mates dont step up to help him.
Ronaldo depends on his teammates to put ball in good position for him to score. In Argentina, Messi is pretty much sole creative hub as well as scoring one. This is the same in Barcelona where over a single season Messi shits fr great hights on Ronaldo and any other player. He literally has most goals, assists, dribbles, chances created, key passes etc. Over ENTIRE league.

If anyone watched last season, him, Umtiti and TS where only reason we did what we did.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Messi definitely is the problem when Suarez has like 4 goals in last 20 CL games. We don't have Neymar anymore. Iniesta got old. Rakitic is useless unless shielded in a 442 and even then don't have any bit of creativity or ball movement forward from the MF, our RB is Sergi Roberto who really isn't a RB, etc.

Yes, Messi is the problem for being marked heavily in the biggest CL games and not pulling a win out of his ass.

I ve criticized Messi a lot for his lack of movement, but it's starting to get crazy now. Reaching a point of insanity.

Messi should play more advanced, but do anyone trust those players to be able to get the ball to him?
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Ronaldo depends on his teammates to put ball in good position for him to score. In Argentina, Messi is pretty much sole creative hub as well as scoring one. This is the same in Barcelona where over a single season Messi shits fr great hights on Ronaldo and any other player. He literally has most goals, assists, dribbles, chances created, key passes etc. Over ENTIRE league.

If anyone watched last season, him, Umtiti and TS where only reason we did what we did.

Ronaldo gives his team mates that option through his movement and he also provides plenty of assists as well.

Messi depends on his team mates as well they all do.
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
Messi definitely is the problem when Suarez has like 4 goals in last 20 CL games. We don't have Neymar anymore. Iniesta got old. Rakitic is useless unless shielded in a 442 and even then don't have any bit of creativity or ball movement forward from the MF, our RB is Sergi Roberto who really isn't a RB, etc.

Yes, Messi is the problem for being marked heavily in the biggest CL games and not pulling a win out of his ass.

I ve criticized Messi a lot for his lack of movement, but it's starting to get crazy now. Reaching a point of insanity.

Messi should play more advanced, but do anyone trust those players to be able to get the ball to him?

This place is like the opposite end of the spectrum from r/barca when things don't go our way. Full of pessimists who take advantage of every opportunity to disparage our players.
 

Stoichkov1

New member
Here's the thing. Ronaldo (I don't normally speak about Ronaldo when Messi is the subject, but I'll make an exception this time) keeps his consistent scoring against the best sides. Hell, in recent seasons he's scored more goals in decisive games than just about any other player. And Messi, in comparison, isn't deciding these matches anymore. Messi doesn't score a lot in the big games, his scoring rate is very low. But he also doesn't dominate the midfield in these games either, so you could say that he is this great AM now. So, what exactly does Messi do in the big games lately, beause outside some goals here and there and some bits of genius at times. His consistency in anything, being goals or chances created, is rather low. Isn't an elite scorer anymore, his explosiveness has declined majorly, and his genius passes are picked up by any serious team with some good defensive discipline.

In short, Ronaldo is a better no9 than Messi is a no10 in the last years. I don't see Ronaldo as a poacher and Messi as a total presence in both goals, dribbling and passing anymore. Ronaldo is a no9 and Messi is a no 10 in recent years (again, not talking about games vs Deportivo and Malaga), and Ronaldo just does his job better.

Part of the reason for this is both Messi himself, and Barca & Argentina, who treat Messi as some kind of god who could do anything. These teams should wake the fuck up, and give Messi a precise tactical role, with roles and duties he needs to perform.

Well it's also true that you can't deny that luck is helping Ronaldo a lot. For the first time he put a complete performance like Messi does every match(involved in build-up, making correct decisions, even dribbling sometimes) and he scores 3 goals, a dubious penalty, a De Gea blunder and a great FK despite being crap at them(in the league I wouldn't be surprised if he took 50 FKs and scored none) while if Messi plays well he would get an assist or a goal at best. Not to mention FKs, he scored 6 or 7 only in the league and hits the wall against Iceland 3 times. It seems like a script written by God.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
People say Messi should play more advanced, but when we tried that he barely saw the ball because our midfield and FBs were getting assfucked and unable to move the ball forward to the final third. That's why he has to drop down deep consistently and is moved away from the goal.

If you want Messi more advanced as an attacker you need to fix the main problem first where our FBs and MFs are able to play a forward pass and escape pressure.
 

Vilarrubi

New member
Real play with pace running away from ball on break and through cross after cross into box when teams sit deep.

Neither of which suit Messi.

It is not as simple as saying imagine Messi in this Real side. The Real side would have to totally change the way they play.

Let me rephrase then, imagine Messi with a midfield as effective and consistent as Madrid’s.
 

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