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Neymessi
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For feck sake
Neymar is in absolutely awful form. He still managed to get an assist but please, for once, try to be realistic here guys.
As I said he did play awful for the majority but did something no one other than him could in that team.
Created 1 goal and another one should have been a goal too if not for suarez passing it to alcacer. Also had the balls to not take the corner conventionally and give suarez a pass from the corner that lead to the 2nd goal. For someone who had such a contribution, I wouldn't call it awful as a whole when he was the main player of the whole team who turned the result from us losing to us winning.
Anyway, what I have realized is that maybe his approach to the game is high risk high reward type. He does complicated stuff most of the times which usually leads to losing the ball but when it pulls off it leads to something special. Even that corner wasn't something you see everyday and that pass to arda wasn't easy to pull of either so they were both risky but they did pulled off. I don't appreciate this approach but at least he had the balls to do innovative stuff for the team and it did paid off.
I would rather have someone who plays shit all match but does at least some gamechanging moves rather than playing average and having no end product.
ViscaBarca99
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Exactly. Neymar is not the safe-and-sound-type of player, never has been. He likes to create something, even when it's risky. People need to realise that he will never have a 100% successfull passing rate.
Of course, yesterday he lost way to many balls, but i've seen a lot of people here critisizing his general style of play way too much.
He tends to overcomplicate, true, but people seem to expect him to play like a better Pedro or something.
Face it, he is and always will be a risky player. But without those risk he wouldn't create as many goals as he does.
Neymar tried so many things that failed yesterday. Pretty much all he did that was good was to win the game. I just hate it when he turns losses into wins.
The question was directed to DonAk though
serghei
Senior Member
Neymar was bad. He had 2 very good passes in 90 mins and a very good chance he finished badly, that's it. When you make two good passes but have 8-10 turnovers (I counted 6 in the first half alone), that's not playing great. 2 very good passes and turnovers in double figures isn't a good performance.
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Icarium
Lifestealer
He didn't exactly say Neymar played great. Nobody here said that. Everyone agrees he had a bad performance but provided couple of good moments. That is it.
serghei
Senior Member
It sounded like irony to me. "All he did that was good was to win the game", or "I just hate it when he turns losses into wins".
ViscaBarca99
New member
All he said was that Neymar had lots of bad Moments during the game, tried and failed, had an awful game (i think we all agreed on this and everybody has heard it yet), but in the end played a big role in our hard fought win through his assist and the Corner.
Nobody here says he had a good game or led our Team this time ... but everyone has to admit that he was crucial in one certain Moment and that's what Counts in the end. We got three Points, he played a role in it - you have to stop only counting his good Things when his game was perfect and refuse to praise his contribution on our win because he had an awful game (I remember Suarez in other games playing shit for 80 minutes and then scoring a crucial volley that saved us the day - made him the hero quite a few times, if i remember correctly. And nobody dared to talk about his bad stats.)
Critic where critic should be, but over 10 pages in this thread repeating that he was god-awful is enough for a Player who played a role in our win. Just my opinion...
ATLBarcaFan
Senior Member
Poor performance, but that can be said about the majority of the team last night
ZenI
Professor Balthazar
He needs to go back to how he played first half of last season. Less unnecessary dribbles, letting his teammates help him out of tricky situations, stay on LW and don't go centrally, less Hollywood (stay on you fu**ing feet dude) etc. He can't play the Messi-role, he gets swarmed in the middle and loses the ball - our left there is maybe 2 players he needs to beat or play 1-2's, in the middle he gets swarmed by at least 3 or even 4. Lucho needs to see this and give him directions, he's no fu**ing Messi and never will be.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
About this thing, well we are not idiots, and of course if someone just plays simple sideway passes with 0% of risk, that guy will have 90-100% passing accuracy, only 1-2 lost balls and zero end product.
While if someone like Ney will try to produce a key assist to his teammates with high risk passes, that he will have a lot of lost balls, but he will have some end product in the end (like yesterday with tons of lost balls and 1-2 good balls in the end).
Well, as others mentioned, there is also a middle ground between those 2 options:
1. you don't need to play safe sideway passes
2. but you also don't need to dribble past 4 defenders or try to make a killer through ball IN EVERY SINGLE ACTION, like Neymar did yesterday
I don't know how old are you and whether you watched Barca in early 2000's.
Back then, we bought an insanely talented player, Argentinian attacking midfielder Juan Roman Riquelme.
A guy was insane when you give him freedom and when you build a team around him. In those days, he was hailed as the new Maradona (as always).
Anyway, he had a somewhat similar problem as Neymar lately:
= he tried to create a killer pass, dribble past 3-4 players IN EVERY SINGLE ACTION.
He almost NEVER played a fast, simple pass, no matter what was happening on a field.
And while his approach did create some nice assists and goals from time, our team as a whole played much weaker when Riquelme was on a field, than when we played with some less talented player who played simpler and thus our team played better, faster and created more chances (in a classic Barca's Tiki-Taka or a shortpassing-fast passing style).
In those days, Riquelme was sold very fast from our team because he was killing our build up play and our nice flow.
Ok, Neymar is much more talented than Riquelme (even though Riquelme was something like Modric/Kros/Iniesta/Coutinho back then).
My point is: yes, Neymar tries a lot, this is why he loses balls and this is why he has some assists in the end.
But still, his game could be improved a lot if he would use his brains more often and not try to dribble/create a deadly pass in every single action.
Play some simple passes and in right moments, try some risky moves.
Here is a video about Riquelme at Barca.
Some guys will understand the point and my comparison with Neymar.
Look at this video and how Riquelme almost never plays fast, simple passes and always tries a killer through ball which will send our attacker 1 vs 1 with a goalkeeper, and too often when he is in a good position, he waits for too long (he waits for a perfect moment to create a killer pass), and while he waits, he is soon surrounded by 3-4 defenders.
Neymar is not exactly the same, but he is doing some same mistakes as Riquelme back then.
An interesting thing for me: Riquelme was sold right away, but with Neymar, Barto will try to build a team around him (around that style of play) and coaches are probably afraid to even tell to Neymar what he is doing wrong.
Strange times...
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