11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

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Zuti

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We also had Lucho. Does one thing negate the other?


You are missing the point, our midfield consists of turtles, and not the ninja good ones, our mf is getting run over by any decent team out there, nothing to do with Lucho or Neymar, the latter only masked the problem somewhat along with Messi and Suarez, this is going to show even more this season if we don't make quality signings for mf along with a decent Neymar replacement.
 

Judoman

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You are missing the point, our midfield consists of turtles, and not the ninja good ones, our mf is getting run over by any decent team out there, nothing to do with Lucho or Neymar, the latter only masked the problem somewhat along with Messi and Suarez, this is going to show even more this season if we don't make quality signings for mf along with a decent Neymar replacement.

We all know this.

The sad fact is, that there are no WC midfielders available out there at this point in time.
Perhaps i m missing something. What are realistic quality MF signings, that are level above what we currently have?
We tryed Verrati. We tryed Coutinho. I don t know what happened to Seri, but i don t consider him much better to what we got.

Panic will not solve anything, it will just lead to more bad decisions, specialy when we have the current board at the helm.
The current state of our team is a consequence of a bad job, they were doing in the past years.
 

blackrum

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Fernando Polo says this morning that Bvb still asks 150m.
With variables and with very easy achievable variables.
So, basically, they are asking for easy 150m.

We are robbed on every level these days.

Of course Fernando Polo and all the shitty Catalan sources who have had absolutely no clue about anything this whole summer are more in the know about Dortmund's demands than the CEO of Dortmund himself who confirmed that the 150M figure is bullshit. The board mouthpieces from Mundo Deportivo are main sources harping on about Dortmund's evil demands of 150 M and painting a picture of them trying to milk us by refusing to listen to ANYTHING other than 150M while we didn't even contact them for weeks after a first offer of like 80M + fancy Ballon D'Or variables was rejected. Like it's on Dortmund to take the initiative to negotiate the transfer of a player they don't wanna sell when we go no contact on them while insulting Liverpool with ridiculous offers for Coutinho. :rolleyes: "Yo, we don't want to sell our best player and we haven't heard anything from you for weeks after our last negotiations, but how about we help you by demanding 30 M less? We are a "selling club" after all and you're Barca".

And yes, how absolutely ludicrous of them to not be more cooperative when we try to get their best player last minute because we absolutely failed to plan anything this summer and then let them wait more than three weeks after our first, low-balling offer with ridiculous Ballon d'Or clauses was turned down while their best player went on strike during a crucial period in the season's preparation, which we apparently have no problem with, and have one of our board members show the audacity to straight out lie by saying a transfer was close when we never contacted BVB after our first offer. And all that with us having over 200 M in the bank but being unwilling to spend it on anyone bar Paulinho.

In all seriousness though, Dembele for anything more than 100 M might be ridiculous overspending, but anyone who acts like the reason why this transfer is not progressing is because our board are trying for reasonable prices and resisting other club's milking efforts is majorly underestimating the dickish, amateurish and undiplomatic behaviour we have shown towards most clubs and players we have negotiated with this summer. Even if BVB demanded something more reasonable, Barca would manage to lowball it by 20 M plus or taking the negotiating partners for fools by offering Ballon D'Or clauses.

It's not Dortmund's or anyone else's fault that we are in this absolute mess, and after how scummy we have dealt with so many clubs this summer, I don't see any reason for them to even compromise with us. We have majorly hampered their preparations for next season and acted like dicks in the process. I have defended Barca from claims that we have caused Dembele to go on strike before, but after how we've apparently fucked over Seri I wouldn't be surprised over anything anymore.

We got 220M. We haven't spent it on anyone bar Paulinho. We were willing to waste 40M on him but try to avoid paying 10M or less upfront for players who'd actually be helpful. We have fucked up, our squad is not good enough and there is NO time left for discarding long-term targets or taking a risk in negotiations. Three weeks ago giving up on Dembele and looking at someone else would've been cool. Now we are simply that desperate.

I can't help feel angry about no one other than the board and I've come to a point where I find it hard to defend Barca against hatred by other fans for our perceived arrogance, or tapping up accusations. We are on the verge of fucking up our image long-term.
 
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Windhook

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I can't help feel angry about no one other than the board and I've come to a point where I find it hard to defend Barca against hatred by other fans for our perceived arrogance, or tapping up accusations. We are on the verge of fucking up our image long-term.

Your love for F.C. Barcelona is yours and you don't need to defend the club against anyone. They will keep on hating the club no matter what. Lots of controversies throughout the years, dating back to the 2006 Champions League final with Arsenal playing 10 men against us. You know well the rest of our glorious history. In my conversations with other fans I realize that Barcelona have won just two universally aclaimed (by haters) Champions League trophies - that of the Dream Team of 1992 (because there was barely any television in the world back then) and that of 2015, when Barcelona swept everything on their way, without any referee involvement.
 

springfield

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We also had Lucho. Does one thing negate the other?

When did you start watching Barcelona? People are not acting like this because of the supercopa games. Barcelona is in trouble for years, not only last season. MSN had a big impact on the results. Midfield play started to become a problem and every season it got worse. Players that joined Barcelona were most of the time not the right fit. Before Neymar left the fans were already angry and wanted to get a RB and CM. Neymar leaving caused more frustration with the fans. If Barcelona didn't win the treble some seasons ago, i bet Barto wasn't even elected as president. I was never a fan of Enrique or Bartomeu but the socios were clearly blinded by the results that year and didn't notice the problems that were growing.
 

gr98

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Apparently Dembele's contract could be deemed null and void due to irregularities.......and the circus continues.
 

gr98

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Link to article: http://www.zeit.de/2017/35/ousmane-dembele-transfer-borussia-dortmund/komplettansicht
Is he submerged? Traveling to France for the pastime? The 21 year old Ousmane Dembélé is hard to comprehend these days. While employer Borussia Dortmund is negotiating with FC Barcelona on a sale of his striker Dembélé , the latter has become invisible. In order to force his departure in the Ruhr area, he has entered into a strike, it is said. What's wrong. Borussia suspended him from the game and training company until further notice. What Sport Bild does not prevent them to call him a "Stinkstiefel" and a "hot money and unscrupulous mercenaries".

It is true that the Borussia would like to sell the Supertalent, their best player last season, after only one year - if the price is right. To this detachment there is now a clever. Barcelona, ​​which has earned 222 million euros for the Neymar migrated to Paris St. Germain, is said to have offered the Dortmunders nearly 100 million euros for Dembélé. Too little, find the Dortmunder. Apparently, BVB calls for some 120 million, of which 20 would be passed on to Dembélé's former club Stade Rennes. The player, perhaps controlled by consultants or his wish team from Catalonia, did not come to work one day - "to push the price", as BVB CEO Hans-Joachim Watzke suspects. The distortion around Dembélé is the first major transfer case of the Bundesliga in the post-Neymar era. Suddenly, all sums are conceivable, all means seem permissible.

Until 31 August, the end of the transfer period, the matter must be decided: 100 million euro for BVB, 120 million? Or zero, and the football profi contractually bound by 2021 returns ruefully to the playing field. Or zero euro, and Dembélé changes nevertheless - this new variant brings the Karlsruhe lawyer Markus Schütz into the play now. Schütz, who represents a former adviser to the striker, says, "If the player mandates us, I will fight his employment contract with Dortmund." If the contract were invalid for any reason, Dembélé could go free of charge, Dortmund would not see a cent.

Is this a threat? Or the attempt to get into business just before a transfer? It is not to be expected that Dembélé's current agent, Moussa Sissoko, will question the contract of employment mentioned above. He has negotiated him last year, when the player from Rennes came to Dortmund, for an exchange honorable of allegedly three million euros cashed.

Markus Schütz, lawyer of the French player, Martial Kodja, who has been running Dembélé since his youth together with a relative of the striker, has already announced the BVB twice because of the circumstances of the obligation at the German Football Association. First of all, in the case of sports courts, because of alleged violations of the regulations for player mediation. And then at the DFB ethics committee, headed by former Foreign Minister Klaus Kinkel - because of the "machinations" of the BVB officials, as it is in a letter to Kinkel.
At the core is the accusation that Dortmund had pulled the then 19-year-olds across the table. The player did not present a contract paper in his French mother tongue during the final talks. In addition, the BVB had not accepted the agent Kodja, who had been commissioned by the player, when he and Dembélé's mother Fatima had joined the meeting on 17 May last year to Dortmund. Dembélé had thus opposed the BVB-men without representation and "powerless".

The five-year contract signed by the Frenchman does not leave him starving. Allegedly, he earns a basic salary of two million euros a year and got ten million hand money in the signature - over the term of the contract this is a total of four million a year. This is a comparatively low remuneration for such a coveted player. In addition, no salary increase was anchored and, above all, no exit option.

What does the agent debate mean for a possible Barcelona transfer?

Nevertheless, the DFB committee rejected the complaint. Kinkel's Ethics Committee did not initiate proceedings. Dortmund could counter the allegations. May 17, when Kody came to Dortmund, was no longer a day of trial, but merely the date for signing. He had been negotiating with the agent Sissoko, in English. The French ex-national player was able to explain the mother tongue to the football professional. The fact that the licensing levy is written in German, write the regulations.

However, Kodjas attorney-at-law claims that last year, the professional had not deprived the agent Sissoko of the company MS Foot based in England the advisory mandate. Dembélé had noted that Sissoko had not represented his interests, but the Dortmunds. At the time, the player had not commissioned Sissoko, but the BVB had engaged him in February 2016 as an intermediary in order to win Dembélé for Dortmund, and certainly tear him apart from other clubs. At the time, other clubs were also campaigning for talent, including Barcelona and Bayern Munich. These clubs obviously talked to the other consultants.

Such a procedure would be somewhat tricky, but not forbidden. In at least three other transfer cases the Borussia acted thus, claimed Kodjas lawyer. BVB contests the least in the case of Dembélé. Sissoko was presented to the Dortmunders as the consultant, who accompanies the player in transfer affairs.

What does this dispute mean for a possible Barcelona transfer? In Dortmund, there are people who believe that someone wants to get involved in the last pusher. Martial Kodja could try to take over his fellow comrade Badou Sambagué, the relative, influence on the mother of the player. Both of them might be badly opposed to Dembélé's work. And they claim they would take him to his dream club in Barcelona by making the Dortmund player's account illegal.

Free of charge, that means: No money for Dortmund, even more for the player. That would be adventurous. As long as Ousmane Dembélé remains suspended, all participants are at least calm in one respect. Thus the probability of an injury endangering the big deal is low.
Used google translate as it was in German.
 

Judoman

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When did you start watching Barcelona? People are not acting like this because of the supercopa games. Barcelona is in trouble for years, not only last season. MSN had a big impact on the results. Midfield play started to become a problem and every season it got worse. Players that joined Barcelona were most of the time not the right fit. Before Neymar left the fans were already angry and wanted to get a RB and CM. Neymar leaving caused more frustration with the fans. If Barcelona didn't win the treble some seasons ago, i bet Barto wasn't even elected as president. I was never a fan of Enrique or Bartomeu but the socios were clearly blinded by the results that year and didn't notice the problems that were growing.

I have watched Barca since Cruyff years. Let s not start with the swinging dicks rutine, it s silly and imature. My opinion is as unimportant as the next guy s, but we are all entitled to one.

I understand why the panic. I m saying it s not usefull and it s going to make things worst, specialy considering what people are in charge. They should go. This is the only must at this point in time.
It s not a must to buy a xy player for 150 mil and it s not a must to buy 30 year old player for 50 mil. Our midfiield problem is not solvable by one purchase, because
there aren t any realistic WC mf players out there to get.

That s all i m saying.
 

gr98

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"Dembélé could ask for nullity of contract if not sold"
https://futbol.as.com/futbol/2017/0..._217553.html#?ref=rss&format=simple&link=link

Lawyer Markus Schütz has threatened Borussia Dortmund with denouncing the contract signed by Ousmane Dembélé with the German team and that could cause the player to receive the letter of freedom in the case of processing his claim, something that would allow the French to sign for the Barcelona at no cost.

According to the German midfielder Ziet Schütz, who represents Martial Kodja, a former coach of the Gaul, indicates that Dortmund placed Moussa Sissoko as legal agent for Dembélé, but Sissoko would have guarded the interests of the club rather than the player's interests , avoiding Who listened to offers from teams like Bayern or Barcelona itself. Dortmund would not have accepted Kodja as the player's representative and yes to Sissoko, who only appeared on the day of signing and not during the negotiation. The contract of the player would have been delivered only in German, a language that the player did not know and Sissoko would have acted as translator from German to French against usual procedures. In addition, Dembélé would have a salary of two million euros per yearTo which we would have to add the ten million signed as a transfer bonus for his five years of contract , so he would charge four 'kilos' per year, a scarce figure for a player in his profile. No conception of wage increase with the years or any exit clause was added here.

Borussia Dortmund would have rejected an offer of 100 million Barcelona by the player. After the transfer of Neymar to PSG by the value of the clause of 222 million , the German team requests a figure that would be in 150 'kilos'. Meanwhile, the player has declared himself in rebellion and does not train with the team after not showing up voluntarily as a measure to force his exit. Something that provoked the criticisms on the part of the club and of his own companions, but that according to Schütz is due to the bad manners of the Dortmund in his arrival to the equipment.
 
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