KingLeo10
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i'm more surprised you expected more from anyone who dubs themselves "the great one"
11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1
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i'm more surprised you expected more from anyone who dubs themselves "the great one"
The Great One
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You named yourself after a 20 year old winger who hasn't scored yet, why should I care what you've done? You've done me a favour now I won't have to hear the deluded ravings of an Ousmane Dembele can not a Barcelona fan.
Real fans support the club and everything it stands for and should want what's best for the club I stand by the coach and players and be baord not what the fans want.
Or I'll stay here and give my opinion, people on here are the same as me just fans giving heir opinion don't presume yourselves to be anything more than that, you cannot chase me from here.
Not a yes man I just have the intelligence to understand the board and coach know better than armchair fans who don't have the qualifications to understand football and why the coach does what he does.
Stats show Henderson is an amazing passer I guess he fits Barcelona let's buy him!
Cule4life
The Culest
Are you 5 years old? Wtf does a username on the internet have to do with what the poster is saying? Similarly naming yourself the great one doesn't make you great you know.
Accuses someone of raving ends up raving himself.
GTFO of here with that holier than thou attitude. Let me guess all the Arsenal fans demanding Wenger leave are not real fans then? Fans pay the salaries of the manager and players. They have every right to question them. Every fan on here will question them. If you don't like it too bad. You can always GTFO of here and go to your safe space on reddit.
The Great One
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It's also a fact fans don't know what they want and when clubs listen to fans things go wrong lol.
Wenger said it best he turned down the world to stay at Arsenal including big clubs like PSG.
The board have given him peanuts each season and he managed to stay consistent, he also has the highest win percentage out of any Arsnensl manager in history as well as the only prem club with a Gold trophy for an undefeated season.
Wenger is class and the fans that want him out are clueless, he revolutionised English football and the diets of players and if he managed a top team he would bring succeess.
Also 3 trophies in 4 years isn't bad, look at how long Liverpool have gone without a trophy.
Wenger said it best he turned down the world to stay at Arsenal including big clubs like PSG.
The board have given him peanuts each season and he managed to stay consistent, he also has the highest win percentage out of any Arsnensl manager in history as well as the only prem club with a Gold trophy for an undefeated season.
Wenger is class and the fans that want him out are clueless, he revolutionised English football and the diets of players and if he managed a top team he would bring succeess.
Also 3 trophies in 4 years isn't bad, look at how long Liverpool have gone without a trophy.
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MessiCam
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Yes. Why are you here then?
Lol. Revolutionised English Football?
PSG a big club?
Arsenal consistent?
To the ignore list with you...
The Great One
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^ all the above is true lol but if you're a deluded you wouldnt accept these facts
behindbrowneyes
Well-known member
Gomes never played over Dembélé since he came back from injury. Get your facts right.
Suffering crosses without Alves? From all of his many qualities crossing was none. As long as Dembélé keeps them flat and plays them behind the defending line we'll be ok. His high crosses are accurate af but we just have Suárez and even he is not very good at headers compared to others. That's why I said he would fit in perfectly at Real Madrid.
Btw I didn't criticize him, I just said what has to become better in order for him to succeed here. Right now we just have Messi and Suárez scoring goals on a regular basis and we'll need a third one.
henias
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Still makes no sense when u said he would fit at Real Madrid and not Barca. Even in Real Madrid, they emphasize on transitional plays and technical ability in the recent years. It would be stupid to think Real Madrid only depend on "crosses". Every team would need low and high crosses. So I dont get your point here.
Goals will come later, like I said, he needs to gel with this team and linkup well first, in order for Messi and Suarez to score goals, you'll also need someone to disrupt the defence and cause havoc and Dembele's presence alone is enough. He made diagonal runs against Juventus and his pace and energy can help transition better. Vidal is terrible at dribbling, not to mention he cant create anything, and Paulinho who just fail to have the basic intelligence of exploiting spaces and would just pass back everytime an opponents closes him. Go check up on Paulinho against Chelsea, plenty of analysis show he failed to grasp the most basic positional play. And his pass succession rate is extremely low, doesnt win the ball back at all.
It would actually be much harder for Suarez or Messi to score goals without someone to be upfront to receive passes. Without Dembele, it is very evident Suarez has been isolated most of the time, and Messi would only have one option to pass to, when he passed to Vidal or Paulinho they would instantly lose the ball most of the time. Don't just look at Dembele's zero goal, look at how they connect and help one another in attack. I can guarantee Dembele indirectly provided Messi and Suarez with more positional adcantages, linkup play and attacking options.
Dembele has provided much more, and he only played 2 odd games after his last injury. So why are you so eager for him to score goals? Even in Real Madrid, he would need to score goals and he wouldn't do that immediately, he would need to get used and play consistent minutes in order to that. Every club its the same for new players. Being impatient wouldnt help at all.
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MessiCam
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They don’t see the good stuff he provides. Only the misplaced passes and unsuccessful dribbles.
But they should get over it. Wingers are often unsuccessful with their dribbles, they make risky passes and they lose the ball a lot. It’s nothing new.
But they should get over it. Wingers are often unsuccessful with their dribbles, they make risky passes and they lose the ball a lot. It’s nothing new.
serghei
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The course of action for a top manager is not to ditch the talented and skilled players to play workhorses with bad touches in top games. But to actually motivate the talented and decisive players in order for them to understand that there are games during the season where you need to outdo yourself and contribute to the team in more ways than one. Great managers do that. They get more from their top players in intense games because they actually realise that if you get more energy and dedication from them this is actually going to improve their defensive output, as well as the team's overall tenacity and energy.
A good case is how Lucho managed to get great output from MSN at home vs Bayern (it helped that the players felt they had to take revenge for the 0-7, as their pride was sort of at stake). This is the game in which Neymar, Messi and Suarez worked the hardest. Put in the hardest shift in terms of effort. And this is part of the reason why we kept a Pep team without any shots on target, which is a shocking stat for Guardiola. You see, you don't bench Neymar because he usually doesn't defend well and after he loses the ball he's rarely pressing the opponent to get it back. You talk to him, and with the rest of the attacking players and you make them understand this is not an ordinary game, but a game in which you give extra, including in areas where usually you're rather lax. A lot of time, the extra effort an attacking player puts in in a tough game is what strenghtens the defense.
You absolutelly don't leave your most technical players on the bench to play 'workhorse' players.
A good case is how Lucho managed to get great output from MSN at home vs Bayern (it helped that the players felt they had to take revenge for the 0-7, as their pride was sort of at stake). This is the game in which Neymar, Messi and Suarez worked the hardest. Put in the hardest shift in terms of effort. And this is part of the reason why we kept a Pep team without any shots on target, which is a shocking stat for Guardiola. You see, you don't bench Neymar because he usually doesn't defend well and after he loses the ball he's rarely pressing the opponent to get it back. You talk to him, and with the rest of the attacking players and you make them understand this is not an ordinary game, but a game in which you give extra, including in areas where usually you're rather lax. A lot of time, the extra effort an attacking player puts in in a tough game is what strenghtens the defense.
You absolutelly don't leave your most technical players on the bench to play 'workhorse' players.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Technical players didn't help either in the last 18 Months of Lucho's career.
Lucho's 433 and Msn lost 10 points advantage in a spring of 2016 and they lost La Liga to Real in 2017.
I know, people will again reply: it was Lucho's fault. Not a fault of Msn, technical players or 433.
It seems that people forget problems after 6-12 Months.
Reading some posts here, it sounds as if we turned back on our ultrasuccessfull 433 and a technical team for no reason and tried with workhorses=because a coach is dumb.
People forget that we lost in 3 Cl quarters in the last 4 years with technical players.
And how, for example, we didn't manage to pull 3 La liga wins in a row last season (with Msn and more technical team than now) until the round 30-32.
Have you guys forgot how horrible we looked on every away La liga match last season?
You said that a coach shouldn't bench a technical player like Neymar.
I don't know what a coach should do, but playing him and other technical players didn't look good at all for the last 18 Months of Lucho's career.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
MSN was the one area of the team that did work.
Luchos teams lacked in midfield and couldnt support them.
That frontline is as good as any club have had and was the main reason Barca won a treble a double then missed out narrowly in league in third season.
EV would kill to have Neymar in his squad.
Wenger did revolutionise English football but that argument has worn thin and he has gone from being ahead of the curve to looking out of date.
Luchos teams lacked in midfield and couldnt support them.
That frontline is as good as any club have had and was the main reason Barca won a treble a double then missed out narrowly in league in third season.
EV would kill to have Neymar in his squad.
Wenger did revolutionise English football but that argument has worn thin and he has gone from being ahead of the curve to looking out of date.
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