11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

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JamDav1982

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Has he played consistently since his return from injury? There were games when he performed only to find himself on the bench for a few games straight.

That he is now playing after the dust has settled shouldn’t distract from Valverde’s treatment of him over the course of the season.

Yeah he has played a lot.

Certainly far more than can be claimed has not been played.
 
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MessiCam

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No he didnt.

Could just as easily say he changed it for Messi who wont play RW.

Suarez being a CF and not being able to play LW is not changing formation by playing him up top... it is just not having anyone who can play LW.

If there is no one to play LW that is not Suarez fault.
Valverde right from the start said he wanted Messi centrally so that debunks your Messi theory. That was Valverde’s choice.

Secondly... Coutinho and Denis can play LW with aplomb. Both can even play RW... You seem to forget that Valverde played 4-3-3 False 9 in the beginning and switched when Suárez struggled.
 
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MessiCam

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Yeah he has played a lot.

Certainly far more than can be claimed has not been played.

How can you say that when Coutinho, who came later (even considering Dembélé’s injury) has played 300 more minutes in La Liga?

650 minutes is nothing to write home about.
 

JamDav1982

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Valverde right from the start said he wanted Messi centrally so that debunks your Messi theory. That was Valverde’s choice.

Secondly... Coutinho and Denis can play LW with aplomb. Both can even play RW... You seem to forget that Valverde played 4-3-3 False 9 in the beginning and switched when Suárez struggled.

Because Messi wont play anywhere else and no it doesnt debunk any theory as Messi could play deeper.

What do you think was Valverdes plans for Barca with Neymar then to sell Suarez?

442 was not about Suarez or fitting him in.
 

JamDav1982

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How can you say that when Coutinho, who came later (even considering Dembélé’s injury) has played 300 more minutes in La Liga?

650 minutes is nothing to write home about.

Dembele has started 10 of the 16 league games since he came back from injury.

It is not true to say he hasnt played.
 

Joan

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Has he played consistently since his return from injury? There were games when he performed only to find himself on the bench for a few games straight.

That he is now playing after the dust has settled shouldn’t distract from Valverde’s treatment of him over the course of the season.

He has. He started quite a few matche lately, too.

You can argue that he should've played more but not that he didn't play.
 
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MessiCam

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Because Messi wont play anywhere else and no it doesnt debunk any theory as Messi could play deeper.

What do you think was Valverdes plans for Barca with Neymar then to sell Suarez?

442 was not about Suarez or fitting him in.
So if Messi doesn’t want to play somewhere else then you make a decision. You can’t have 2 players wanting to play in the same zones tactically influencing your game...

Answer me this... Because Messi doesn’t want to play on the wing do you think that Valverde would have moved Neymar to RM so that both Messi and Suarez could play centrally?

It became evident under Lucho that Messi and Suarez can’t play together without fucking the midfield up.

The idea that Suarez hasn’t influenced Valverde tactically is mind boggling.
 

JamDav1982

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So if Messi doesn’t want to play somewhere else then you make a decision. You can’t have 2 players wanting to play in the same zones tactically influencing your game...

Answer me this... Because Messi doesn’t want to play on the wing do you think that Valverde would have moved Neymar to RM so that both Messi and Suarez could play centrally?

It became evident under Lucho that Messi and Suarez can’t play together without fucking the midfield up.

The idea that Suarez hasn’t influenced Valverde tactically is mind boggling.

What was EV plan if Neymar had not left?
 
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MessiCam

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He has. He started quite a few matche lately, too.

You can argue that he should've played more but not that he didn't play.
Yeah, the only time he had continuity was when the league was won and even then he has been subbed out early so Suarez, despite sticking up the place, can play a full 90.
 

JamDav1982

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Yeah, the only time he had continuity was when the league was won and even then he has been subbed out early so Suarez, despite sticking up the place, can play a full 90.

He has started vast majority of games in league since came back and appeared in some others.

You cant claim 'he hasnt played'.

You just seem to keep changing it and comparing to other players as it is obvious he has played.
 
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