11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

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xXKonan

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imagine madrid fans doing this to asensio. its disgraceful. some of these guys are adamant on barca players failing
You will be surprised but I've seen Madrid fans even shit on Asensio as well.

It's chicken littling at it's finest. And all it takes is for a player to have said good game and you some folks talking about how inferior your own player is even though in reality it's not the case. Just how things are.
 

Tekkers

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You will be surprised but I've seen Madrid fans even shit on Asensio as well.

It's chicken littling at it's finest. And all it takes is for a player to have said good game and you some folks talking about how inferior your own player is even though in reality it's not the case. Just how things are.

i doubt that they're anywhere as harsh as barca fans are with dembele.

there's a difference between shitting on a player after a bad performance and shitting on a player who didn't even appear on the field for you to even criticize his game

and then when he performs well we complain that "it wasn't against a parked bus and the game was open allowing him to attack on the counter" (which is exactly what the game was today, making it more unfortunate that he didnt play ahead of giroud)
 
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Jägermeister

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Mbappe looked really good today but in the group stages I thought he was pretty meh. Today with all the space he got he could show his biggest strengths and surely there is not doubt he is a top 3 U21 player in the world. But Dembele probably would have looked better today as well (of course we cannot know for sure).
Imo we should give him at least the next season with a proper preseason and hopefully without injuries. Then we can decide if he is good for Barca or not. Right now we can't conclude that he isnt´t.
 

BBZ8800

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People will get angry, as always...

The thing is with Dembele, for any football fan who is watching football for 20-25 or more years, we have seen 10-20-50 Dembeles and similar talents over years.
Yes, he has talent.
He has an insane technique.
He can do things which 99,9% of other players can't.

But still, at least for me, when I am comparing him to former young superstars, something is "off" about Dembele.
EV isn't too eager to play him.
Now Deschamps isn't too eager to play him either.

People could always offer alibies: he didn't play, he needs consistency blah blah.
I don't know.
Something is just "off" about Dembele.
His decisions are nowhere near a world class level.

For example, I remember France 98' like it was yesterday.
Back then, France had their Mbappe-Dembele from that era.
Their names were 21 years old Henry and Trezeguet.
They were equally as old as a current Dembele.

Now, I am not saying that Dembele should play like Henry, but a lot of people here are expecting Dembele to be our key player, the best player, a top3 player in the world one day, maybe even Ballon'D'Or.
I know that every player blooms differently, but if we'll compared 21 years old Dembele to Henry and Trezeguet, then Dembele is light years behind them.

Here is a video of 21 years old Thierry Henry from a World cup France 98'.
He played at the same position as our Dembele.
Yet, look at his decisions, impact, finishing, assists and everything:

I won't enter again into discussions: sell him and similar.
But maybe you guys should lower expectations from this "generation talent" into a very good player who can do magic tricks.

Too many things are wrong about Dembele and Barca currently.
EV isn't playing him.
Deschamps isn't playing him.
He isn't Barca's fit.
His decisions are often weird.
He is "off" during matches too often etc.

So, yeah, I think that comparing him with some former superstars and their level at the age 21 will bring more objectivity about Dembele's current level and what can we expect from him.

I won't even post videos from Messi, R9, Ronaldinho and similar, aged 21.
 

Givenchy

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:facepalm: lets wait and see how they both develop before we call them then next R9/Henry. people expecting another Messi/Ronaldo level talent in this generation will be hugely disappointed.
 

FCB50

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I don't think Dembele is much like R9 or Henry. Best comparison I could think of would probably be someone like Robben. Robben definitely had more ability than Dembouz but injuries held him back a lot, so maybe Dembele could get close to that level if we're lucky.
 

Donatello

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I don't think Dembele is much like R9 or Henry. Best comparison I could think of would probably be someone like Robben. Robben definitely had more ability than Dembouz but injuries held him back a lot, so maybe Dembele could get close to that level if we're lucky.

I think dembele can easily replicate Ribery. Ribery was also more of an assist provider, than a goal scorer.

The only obstacle is his mentality. Mbappe has exceptional maturity at 19, while Dembele is still like regular 21yo kid.

He still looks hesitant and nervous. He just needs to let him free on the pitch. We know what he can do from his time at Dortmund.

He has to realize what a chance he has got. Stop eating all those unhealthy foods, stop wasting time in partying, work his ass off in training, press harder in defense.

I hope he learns a lesson after seeing Mbappe shine in this WC.
 
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Messi983

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Good thing he's not playing for France. I don't care about their NT and he'll be more rested for the next season.
 

BBZ8800

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I often mention mental skills, which a lot of fans neglect.
And during this World cup, I tried to remember other kids who were of a similar age as a current Dembele.

And imo, something is "off" with Dembele.
He imo lacks some spark in his eyes, something is off with his body language, he lacks drive, courage to be a world class.
Further, imo, these attacking players (wingers, Cams and attackers) need some level of cockiness and bravery to make fools out of opponent from an early age.
In that sense, Dembele's cockiness is way lower than of young R9, Ronaldinho, Owen, Henry, Trezeguet, Robben, CR7, Mbappe, even Messi etc.

Further, these pacey wingers, usually reach their prime in teen years and in early to mid 20s, when they are the fastest.
In late 20s, since the pace is their main skill, they deteriorate faster.
So, majority of these pacey-dribblers are world class from an early age due to:
1. awesome skills
2. insane pace in those early years
3. their cockiness and bravery from an early age
So, their prime is more often from 20-25 than from 26-29.

Dembele still looks like a kid in that mental/determination area.
And, I know, he will improve. But if his "personality" is a nice guy, without some positive cockiness, I don't think that he will ever reach levels what people are expecting.

If I would have to put my bet in this moment, I would say that he will end at max at a level of Alexis Sanchez.
But more likely like some Theo Walcott.
Imo, there is not a chance anymore that Dembele will be a generational player as we expected.

For example, Michael Owen, aged 18 in France 98' round of 16, England vs Argentina:

Ronaldinho aged 22 (only 1 year older than Dembele) in Japan 2002, quarters, Brazil vs England:


1st goal: look at his bravery, cockiness, calmness, decisions, IQ, leadership to some extent.
2nd goal: look at his cockiness again. Look at the spark in his eyes, body language, celebration etc.

For anyone with some basic knowledge on psychology and body language, you will know what I am trying to say about Dembele.
Further, people will say: but he is young, he is just a kid.
True. But the point is, to be a leader in a club like Barca, you need to be a brave kid from the age 18.
Some players are brave and leaders from an early age, some don't have that type of a personality.
Just look at Mbappe, his personality, bravery, cockiness. He is close to Henry and CR7.
A current Dembele is nowhere near to that.

And as some others said [MENTION=8308]Neeraj[/MENTION] in other topics, it seems that Barca and La Masia are lately looking only at passing and technique, and are neglecting other aspects of football like physical skills (strength, stamina, pace), but also they are neglecting mental skills and courage it seems. Not to mention that we don't have any thugs in a team anymore.

So, not only that Dembele will need to improve tactically since he doesn't fit our style currently, he will also have to improve insanely in that mental part if he wants to be a key player for any top club.
Technique without bravery, determination, IQ and some cockiness won't be enough, imo.

But we will see that very soon.
 
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Tekkers

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he'll never maximize his potential playing under valverde. i cant even imagine what kind of nurting and development a guy who uses both feet perfectly and dribble/pass the way he does would be getting under a manager who isn't inept. barca are screwed as long as valverde is the coach. just look at mina this wc, talks of him being a flop but he locked down lewandowski and has carried his nation.

he'll forever have to live with the fact that he ruined iniestas chance of a final ucl medal because he was too stubborn to adapt to his shitty tactics against roma when the game was just screaming for dembele and the players were telling him to make changes. piece of shit manager
 
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