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14 - Javier Mascherano
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God Serena
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The problem with Vermaelen is he's proven to be a delicate flower. The problem with Mathieu is he isn't actually better than Mascherano.
Our defensive signings were a total joke from the get go. Just gotta hope we manage sign one before all three of the aforementioned players retire.
TornAndFrayed
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got hit with a suspended sentence today. 18 months. Brace yourself Messi.
Some photoshops are in order
Some photoshops are in order
Vlom
Previously known as Mehssi
TornAndFrayed
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/barcelona-defender-javier-mascherano-receives-6963047
I use french sources which have no real business on here, so here's an english one. I read 18 months, not twelve though.
The Masche case is similar to Messi's so I assume Messi will also receive a suspended sentence for his tax issue
iirc Masche's tax avoidance case deals with less money than Messi's. If he got 18 months, I fear that the prosecution, ahem i mean the judge will push for over two years.
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Vlom
Previously known as Mehssi
Oh, I know about that, the use of the word "suspended" led me to think it was playing football suspended.
For Messi they're asking for 22 months, so just 2 months under 2years, they obviously know it doesn't warrant, nor will it happen, him going to prison, they just want to make the trial last as long as possible.
For Messi they're asking for 22 months, so just 2 months under 2years, they obviously know it doesn't warrant, nor will it happen, him going to prison, they just want to make the trial last as long as possible.
TornAndFrayed
Banned
didn't know that's what they were going for for Messi, good to know they're not pushing over 24.
suspended sentence is the equivalent of sursis
suspended sentence is the equivalent of sursis
Horatio
You're welcome
He won't go to jail. The rule that a sentence under 2 years for certain crimes don't have to be served inside a prison is implemented to avoid putting people in jail that will cost the state more than they are a liability of repeating their crime. It makes no sense for Messi to be in jail as they will make more money off of him being free.
Luftstalag14
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So the suspended sentence means what? He doesn't have to serve at all?
TornAndFrayed
Banned
I know he won't go to jail. That's what "suspended" means.
In any respectable justice system, you can get hit with jail time that never comes to pass. They are used in case of repeat offense, but obviously you can still go straight to jail in many cases. As per the article here, in the case of taxes in Spain anything under 24 months won't land you in jail. Anything over would.
In any respectable justice system, you can get hit with jail time that never comes to pass. They are used in case of repeat offense, but obviously you can still go straight to jail in many cases. As per the article here, in the case of taxes in Spain anything under 24 months won't land you in jail. Anything over would.
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Luftstalag14
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So suspended sentence pretty much means nothing then, if the convicted is not going to jail? Is there a monetary penalty?
TornAndFrayed
Banned
Yes, Masche paid close to 1 million.
Suspended sentences mean something, but the application varies. In other countries they could handle this very differently, a random example would be higher penalties, straight jail time (but let's say 1 month instead of 2 years
) with an additional 18 month suspended sentence.
Here though, it seems like they don't bother coming up with an estimation of suspended sentence, they simply decided that any jail time under 24 months would be "suspended"
Suspended sentences mean something, but the application varies. In other countries they could handle this very differently, a random example would be higher penalties, straight jail time (but let's say 1 month instead of 2 years
) with an additional 18 month suspended sentence.Here though, it seems like they don't bother coming up with an estimation of suspended sentence, they simply decided that any jail time under 24 months would be "suspended"
El Flaco
Active member
From Mascherano's interview with La Gazetta dello Sport
You may have to square off against River Plate in the final on December 20.
I was happy there, but not entirely. I’d like to return and end things where I started, but not at all costs. If I’m not able to bring River what I brought to other clubs then I won’t return. I must be in good health and the club must need me.
They also want you as a future coach.
I still want to play and extend my career though. There will be time to prepare to be a coach. It’s one thing to try, it’s another thing to be able to do it.
Is it more difficult to get the respect of the players or to implant a playing idea into their minds?
The biggest complexity is managing a group of 25 to 30 people, some of whom are more important than others, some that play more than others… As a coach you can bring in a new idea but in the end the players decide things on the pitch. I like to try and get into the mind of the coach when he makes a decision, to try and understand him.
How did you take to Pep Guardiola’s decision to move you into central defense?
A coach can convince you with his complicity and affection. Or with his knowledge. Guardiola loved to talk about football for hours and I do, too. I learned new ideas from him. It was tough at the beginning but I knew that I needed to learn.
Now will you retire as a defender?
No, I hope that one day I’ll play as a midfielder again. What I don’t know is if I’ll do that at Barça, although I don’t think so. I feel good as a defender, but I always think of myself as a defensive midfielder.
If you remained a midfielder what kind of career would you have had with Barcelona?
I don’t think I would be here today and I wouldn’t have won all that I did with Barca. I’m sure of that.
Have you changed as a player?
Naturally. You can’t play for a club like this if you don’t evolve. Talent isn’t enough. I’ve polished some aspects and play differently.
Is it not possible to see you play as a pairing with Sergio Busquets?
Barça fans are used to seeing the team play a certain way, and playing with two pivots is considered defensive. As a result our play would suffer and we would have fewer people in attack. It doesn’t mean that other clubs can’t play with two central midfielders, as we did that at Liverpool. Here it is a 4-3-3 and if I play with Busquets then he plays in midfield.
Do you feel more pressure if you play in his place?
The opposite. I feel more liberated. Yes, I suffer when I play as I don’t enjoy matches as I must remain concentrated for 90 minutes. I only enjoy myself in training. As a defender I don’t take the field relaxed like Gerard Piqué. But defending is also an art.
You have more scars than tattoos.
Yes, that’s true, I don’t have any tattoos. I’ve never followed fashion, I’m atypical. I only enjoy the game of football, training, trying to improve myself, not the fame or the other side effects. I don’t like being famous; not being able to go for a walk or something and having to stay at home.
Last year Barça won their second treble.
It wasn’t easy. We eliminated four domestic winners in Manchester City, PSG, Bayern Munich and Juventus. We beat all of them except for Bayern in Munich. It was one of the tougher Champions Leagues of recent years.
However many believe you only won because of the front three.
We must be realistic. You can defend as well as you want but if you don’t have talent in attack then it is difficult to win. At the end of the day playing good football matters. However it’s also true we had the best defense in La Liga last season, but that doesn’t mean it was all down to the defense.
Your defense starts in attack.
Exactly. We defend in blocks and we press high up the pitch. We usually have three defensive players in Busquets and the two defenders. Even the full backs are used to attack.
You didn’t play that much at West Ham United when you landed in Europe in 2006, but Rafa Benitez wanted you at Liverpool in 2007.
And four months later I was in the Champions League final! He wanted me at Valencia when I played for River Plate. However my mind was set on moving to Serie A and La Liga after London. I met with a few Juve directors, but they were in Serie B. I asked him where I would play considering he already had Xabi Alonso, Mohammed Sissoko and Steven Gerrard, but he said none of them had the qualities that I had.
However you didn’t play that much under Alan Pardew at West Ham United.
It was frustrating to join after a World Cup and having the manager to ask what position I played. However I continued to push forward for six months. That is why I was ready to play for Benitez right away.
Rafa also wanted to bring you to Napoli in 2014.
Yes, it’s true. We talked, but given he now coaches Real Madrid we don’t do it as often. I must thank him from saving me from the blackhole I was in. He is a great man, a studious coach and an excellent teacher.
In almost 670 matches you’ve only scored 10 goals, zero of which have come with Barça in 250 matches. Have your daughters given up on having one dedicated to them?
Luckily my wife and daughters don’t like watching football. It’s hard to watch football at home, but it helps me relax a lot.
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I was happy there, but not entirely. I’d like to return and end things where I started, but not at all costs. If I’m not able to bring River what I brought to other clubs then I won’t return. I must be in good health and the club must need me.
They also want you as a future coach.
I still want to play and extend my career though. There will be time to prepare to be a coach. It’s one thing to try, it’s another thing to be able to do it.
Is it more difficult to get the respect of the players or to implant a playing idea into their minds?
The biggest complexity is managing a group of 25 to 30 people, some of whom are more important than others, some that play more than others… As a coach you can bring in a new idea but in the end the players decide things on the pitch. I like to try and get into the mind of the coach when he makes a decision, to try and understand him.
How did you take to Pep Guardiola’s decision to move you into central defense?
A coach can convince you with his complicity and affection. Or with his knowledge. Guardiola loved to talk about football for hours and I do, too. I learned new ideas from him. It was tough at the beginning but I knew that I needed to learn.
Now will you retire as a defender?
No, I hope that one day I’ll play as a midfielder again. What I don’t know is if I’ll do that at Barça, although I don’t think so. I feel good as a defender, but I always think of myself as a defensive midfielder.
If you remained a midfielder what kind of career would you have had with Barcelona?
I don’t think I would be here today and I wouldn’t have won all that I did with Barca. I’m sure of that.
Have you changed as a player?
Naturally. You can’t play for a club like this if you don’t evolve. Talent isn’t enough. I’ve polished some aspects and play differently.
Is it not possible to see you play as a pairing with Sergio Busquets?
Barça fans are used to seeing the team play a certain way, and playing with two pivots is considered defensive. As a result our play would suffer and we would have fewer people in attack. It doesn’t mean that other clubs can’t play with two central midfielders, as we did that at Liverpool. Here it is a 4-3-3 and if I play with Busquets then he plays in midfield.
Do you feel more pressure if you play in his place?
The opposite. I feel more liberated. Yes, I suffer when I play as I don’t enjoy matches as I must remain concentrated for 90 minutes. I only enjoy myself in training. As a defender I don’t take the field relaxed like Gerard Piqué. But defending is also an art.
You have more scars than tattoos.
Yes, that’s true, I don’t have any tattoos. I’ve never followed fashion, I’m atypical. I only enjoy the game of football, training, trying to improve myself, not the fame or the other side effects. I don’t like being famous; not being able to go for a walk or something and having to stay at home.
Last year Barça won their second treble.
It wasn’t easy. We eliminated four domestic winners in Manchester City, PSG, Bayern Munich and Juventus. We beat all of them except for Bayern in Munich. It was one of the tougher Champions Leagues of recent years.
However many believe you only won because of the front three.
We must be realistic. You can defend as well as you want but if you don’t have talent in attack then it is difficult to win. At the end of the day playing good football matters. However it’s also true we had the best defense in La Liga last season, but that doesn’t mean it was all down to the defense.
Your defense starts in attack.
Exactly. We defend in blocks and we press high up the pitch. We usually have three defensive players in Busquets and the two defenders. Even the full backs are used to attack.
You didn’t play that much at West Ham United when you landed in Europe in 2006, but Rafa Benitez wanted you at Liverpool in 2007.
And four months later I was in the Champions League final! He wanted me at Valencia when I played for River Plate. However my mind was set on moving to Serie A and La Liga after London. I met with a few Juve directors, but they were in Serie B. I asked him where I would play considering he already had Xabi Alonso, Mohammed Sissoko and Steven Gerrard, but he said none of them had the qualities that I had.
However you didn’t play that much under Alan Pardew at West Ham United.
It was frustrating to join after a World Cup and having the manager to ask what position I played. However I continued to push forward for six months. That is why I was ready to play for Benitez right away.
Rafa also wanted to bring you to Napoli in 2014.
Yes, it’s true. We talked, but given he now coaches Real Madrid we don’t do it as often. I must thank him from saving me from the blackhole I was in. He is a great man, a studious coach and an excellent teacher.
In almost 670 matches you’ve only scored 10 goals, zero of which have come with Barça in 250 matches. Have your daughters given up on having one dedicated to them?
Luckily my wife and daughters don’t like watching football. It’s hard to watch football at home, but it helps me relax a lot.
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