4 - Ronald Araújo

[serghei]

Serghei is just super gutted that his mistake cost us a likely Champions league final, he'll calm down eventually.

You can't rate de jong as WC and then not rate Araujo, it doesn't compute.

He's still one of the best CB in the world,sell him and replace him with who?.

Going into next season our starting CBs should be

Araujo - Kounde,we need to slow it down with cubarsi just a touch, even though he's already better than VVD.

He's not one of the best CBs in the world. He can be, or not. He just failed in his first big test. Until he is back at that level and proves himself, he can't be one of the best in the world.

I am pissed off because I bought into the idea that some of our players are ready for the elite level. Turns out, they are not. I knew the squad is not top, but for our best 2 players to be so shit on the biggest night, that's very very disappointing.

Vitinha schooled our midfielders Pedri and De Jong. And so did Barcola with our defenders, both Araujo and Kounde. In CL you don't get many chances. If you are top class, you show it when it matters most. On THAT night.

 

[topt]

That's not the strategy, any more.

The strategy is now to plunder Leverkusen. We all know how this works.

Time to tap up Tapsoba.

actually looks like it is based on rumors

 

[topt]

That's not the strategy, any more.

The strategy is now to plunder Leverkusen. We all know how this works.

Time to tap up Tapsoba.

is that some kind of moral dig, Bayern has to wait PL and LL clubs to plunder them? Wirtz is a no go for Bayern yet its ok for Barca to take him....

 

[ajnotkeith]

He's not one of the best CBs in the world. He can be, or not. He just failed in his first big test. Until he is back at that level and proves himself, he can't be one of the best in the world.

He has played numerous vital El Clasicos...

 

[serghei]

He has played numerous vital El Clasicos...

That's fine. He's a good player, not a bad one. Elite ones make a difference in big matches, not league games only.

That's when the pressure is at its highest, when a big error could be the end of an entire campaign. An elite player has to rise above that and control it.

It's harsh, but that's why there are so few elite players in each position.

 

[ajnotkeith]

That's fine. He's a good player, not a bad one. Elite ones make a difference in big matches, not league games only.

Yes but you are saying this is the only big game he's ever played which is obviously not true.

 

[serghei]

Yes but you are saying this is the only big game he's ever played which is obviously not true.

It is at that level. First CL quarters for him no? It's the most difficult single match he played so far.

 

[vuji_31]

We can't also judge him on one tackle.

If we can get for free decent CB, I would sell Araujo just because of money.

Selling Araujo for 85-90mil and getting Nico Williams and lets say Zubimendi/Kimmich for combined fee of 100mil is not worst thing ( I don't like this CDMs hut they are only we are linked with).

I think getting CB is much easier then finding CDM and LW.

 

[serghei]

It's all up to him. Come back at this level and show it was a one time thing. Do that and he'll be top class, or elite, or the correct terminology for a star defender that impacts the biggest games.

League games have far less pressure. Need more than that.

 

[jamrock]

We can't judge players based of one game bro.

Can probably list all big defenders and none went to the CL final on there first try.

You're saying he isn't great because he failed in his FIRST CL QFs.

PS barcola didn't school Kounde, Kounde was pretty much perfect when we had 11 man on the pitch over the two legs.

 

[serghei]

The label world class is restricted to players that earned it. He didn't earn it yet.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

We can't also judge him on one tackle.

If we can get for free decent CB, I would sell Araujo just because of money.

Selling Araujo for 85-90mil and getting Nico Williams and lets say Zubimendi/Kimmich for combined fee of 100mil is not worst thing ( I don't like this CDMs hut they are only we are linked with).

I think getting CB is much easier then finding CDM and LW.

That was not a tackle. Stop it.

 

[jamrock]

The label world class is restricted to players that earned it. He didn't earn it yet.

Who are the 10 CBs you consider WC right now

Or is your list in the 3-5 range.

 

[Temptation]

Who are the 10 CBs you consider WC right now

Or is your list in the 3-5 range.

World Class lists can't have more than 3 to 5 candidates for each position.


Otherwise, it's not a world class list?

 

[ajnotkeith]

World Class lists can't have more than 3 to 5 candidates for each position.


Otherwise, it's not a world class list?

Bit hard to make a top3 CB list when teams play with 2 or 3 starting each.

World class for me broadly means a player who is good enough to compete at the top levels of the sport in his position. There can be as many as 100 or as many as 1 in any given position, it depends what the depth of talent is there and what the difference is between the best players. If there are 20 or so roughly even ability CBs, for example, applying an arbitrary top 3 or top5 ranking wouldnt represent that well.