6 - Gavi

[malvolio]

I mean it clearly did. Pre injury Fati had a bit of explosiveness to him coming off the wing and was lethal at finishing to point people thought it's better off having him over Vini

Right about explosiveness. But finishing was always like that. If one of first few shots went in then he was cruising. If it didn't he was all about shooting from all angles and not much else.

Was hyped to the moon and back by the club for various reasons and people kind of took the bait.

 

[El Gato]

He wasn't that reliant on the burst, Vini was more of that than him, was always more impressed with how he made it onto headers and how well he (for a youngster) could place the shot. Showing glimpses of both at Brighton i.e. that goal vs Ajax, but not nearly with the same degree of regularity, which is not a surprise

People in general give up quite easy these days.
Like Rodrygo - most Real fans are fed up with him producing about 0-4 goals in league but forget he goes ahead and does a hattrick vs Galatasaray or decides ties vs Chelsea and City

And all those in the conversation are 22 or younger
Like, bloody hell, given how much average footballer's longevity has improved since 2010 even, these 'kids' still have minimum of 13 years left to learn and show their worth. Will still have a fine career and likely have many European appearances to his name

 

[Horatio]

People in general give up quite easy these days.
Like Rodrygo - most Real fans are fed up with him producing about 0-4 goals in league but forget he goes ahead and does a hattrick vs Galatasaray or decides ties vs Chelsea and City

Why so much patience with Vini though? Is it cause fans consider him useful tool as to victimize club and themselves with him being target of racist chants?

 

[Porque]

Coz he can dribble. Aka The Dembele bias.

 

[Horatio]

Coz he can dribble. Aka The Dembele bias.

Dembele been booed by fans.

 

[El Gato]

Why so much patience with Vini though? Is it cause fans consider him useful tool as to victimize club and themselves with him being target of racist chants?

I dont understand.
Politics aside, people have only really needed patience till autumn 21.
Vini deserved a lot of slack cuz got shafted into the role of difference maker at 19 and was by a distance the best attacker (not in technique, that was still patchy, just in how much ground he would still cover despite the many mistakes) of all players upfront since at least 2020/21.
Lots of people suspected finish is just a switch in his head that needs to get pushed. Others know that even though the switch is there, he's still not an efficient scorer, but a fantastic #2 at the very least with potential to be #1 if right coach gets him to focus.

He's now a mainstay, assumed a leading role and is judged differently since.
Racist stuff wasnt even a thing until last autumn or so when players started to target him especially badly and he got no help from others on the team.
People in the stands also didnt really need to try and get under his skin before since didn't do it with awareness that if you set him off balance you improve your team's chances immensely.
Notice how even now it's better when his antics are not front and centre and take a backseat to the team result

 

[Horatio]

I dont understand.
Politics aside, people have only really needed patience till autumn 21.
Vini deserved a lot of slack cuz got shafted into the role of difference maker at 19 and was by a distance the best attacker (not in technique, that was still patchy, just in how much ground he would still cover despite the many mistakes) of all players upfront since at least 2020/21.
Lots of people suspected finish is just a switch in his head that needs to get pushed. Others know that even though the switch is there, he's still not an efficient scorer, but a fantastic #2 at the very least with potential to be #1 if right coach gets him to focus.

He's now a mainstay, assumed a leading role and is judged differently since.
Racist stuff wasnt even a thing until last autumn or so when players started to target him especially badly and he got no help from others on the team.
People in the stands also didnt really need to try and get under his skin before since didn't do it with awareness that if you set him off balance you improve your team's chances immensely.
Notice how even now it's better when his antics are not front and centre and take a backseat to the team result

Not hating on Vini. Just in comparison with rodrygo would think they should be closer in terms of fan appreciation.

Maybe I am completely off, but thought Rodrygo is not too far off from vini in terms of frustrating games. Know Rodrygo has come clutch with goals quite a few times, also outside of city and chelsea turnabouts. Didnt he twice in el clasicos?

I’d suspect it has to do with positions and lack of competition in market. Real fans can’t really see the LW spot being replaced aside from Mbappe who might or may not make the transfer. So better to embrace vini and hope for best.

 

[El Gato]

In a way.
Both are victims of how Ancelotti chooses to use them really.
Rodrygo gets far less appreciation for the dirty work he does, the very good technique, the awareness of space, the resilience with which he conducts himself through dry spells to net important goals in CL or elsewhere.
Fans are simple as well - tangible stats of Vini's who plays as direct as they come and Rodrygo's role will never weigh up similarly in supporters' eyes. They see one as the player that makes things happen and expect the other to find a space in the box and finish a pass every 90-180 mins of play. And they're not entirely wrong.

Bottom line is they're both 22 and need support.
Old introverted fart Benzema with one good season, in which he was going around talking about them behind their backs in French to Mendy in the tunnel when they're having a bad game, and barely reacts to stuff they get from the stands was never going to be a good consistent and exemplary source of support.
Modric and Kroos are never going to be that either provided they cant relate to the problems they face on the field.
They need an experienced player who's done stuff and will believably tell them to pack it in when need to and pick them up when need to.
Been dying for a person like Cavani to come in and sort this out for years and years.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

I really wonder why so many Real fans hated Rodyrgo this season, 22, already been the saviour in a lot of big games, what more can you expect from such a young guy?? Even without Vini, now with the ham, Rodrygo and Brahim Real is still good in offense

 

[Horatio]

In a way.
Both are victims of how Ancelotti chooses to use them really.
Rodrygo gets far less appreciation for the dirty work he does, the very good technique, the awareness of space, the resilience with which he conducts himself through dry spells to net important goals in CL or elsewhere.
Fans are simple as well - tangible stats of Vini's who plays as direct as they come and Rodrygo's role will never weigh up similarly in supporters' eyes. They see one as the player that makes things happen and expect the other to find a space in the box and finish a pass every 90-180 mins of play. And they're not entirely wrong.

Bottom line is they're both 22 and need support.
Old introverted fart Benzema with one good season, in which he was going around talking about them behind their backs in French to Mendy in the tunnel when they're having a bad game, and barely reacts to stuff they get from the stands was never going to be a good consistent and exemplary source of support.
Modric and Kroos are never going to be that either provided they cant relate to the problems they face on the field.
They need an experienced player who's done stuff and will believably tell them to pack it in when need to and pick them up when need to.
Been dying for a person like Cavani to come in and sort this out for years and years.

Edit: apologies. Theyre only 6 months apart in age. Miscalculated.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

 

[Horatio]

why have u been spamming tiki taka videos across the forum?

 

[El Gato]

Only natural to expect continued progress from a player who starts every game with almost unscrutinised trust from the coach.

His movement in the box still leaves lots to be desired on weekly basis.
If you wanted to be charitable, might be partly that we changed the way we play from last year, Benzema as a reference point has left and it could be that it further confused things for him and asking him to adjust to a new role yet again

And I kind of agree - I'm of the 'it's not his fault' camp for the most part.
But it does piss me off that the manager, when given choice, opts to not be proactive about it and look for a faster solution, and rather he sticks him out there to get flak for not living up to responsibility, in hope he eventually has a game or two where gets to show middle finger to doubters.
Who arent even out there to doubt him in the first place, just to see him find right place and right time with correct support from the manager.
It's this stupid spiral of attitudes stemming from personal attachments between coach and players that we really dont even need to deal with and barely any professional institution should want to deal with.

 

[Porque]

Dembele been booed by fans.

A little bird told me that was a lie and they were all piped in.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

why have u been spamming tiki taka videos across the forum?

Sorry man i copied the wrong video link, i wanted to post his :