8 - Pedri

[Jozh]

He isn't an offensive minded player so it can explain his lack of direct take on against his opponent. Also physical strength plays big part too. Frenkie has quick burst that Pedri doesn't.

Still i think if the team give him ball carrying responsibility, he will carry the ball more often.

I disagree that he isn't an offensive oriented player, I would argue he is more risk averse than other attackers or playmakers. Pedri has stated before that he likes to play behind a striker and give the final pass to make allow them to score. Granted he's terrible at 10 but I don't think he isn't offensive minded, especially given his preference for progression.

 

[JamDav1982]

Pedri is not terrible at 10.

He is a good 10 but to get best out of him you have to alllow him more freedom to get on ball.. get it from the defence.. get it with whole game in front of him.

Being in a two suits him as he can come for ball early from defence if thats how he sees the game and with another deep mid its easier as splits the routes out and opposition being able to stop it.

Too often Pedri under Xavi had to wait for others to get him the ball through phases.

Xavi at times had him playing more or less a second striker which was a complete waste and he didnt influence the games enough while parked high up pitch.

The Spain national team surely have to realise it also and give him that freedom.

 

[jamrock]

That's his heat mat this season, he definitely spends most of his time in the attacking part of the pitch.

Not saying what he is or isn't, but it shows where he spends most of his time, it would be interesting to see where most of his ball recoveries come from, I would assume off the opposition deepest midfielder given where he's most active.

 

[JamDav1982]

OIf course he spends most of his time there.

Barca play an extremely high line and he is given freedom to move from deep midfield.

He isnt even moving far out of there to get the ball from the defence let alone attacking wise.

That map however defnitnely does not show most of his time is in attacking third. Much more of it is in the middle third by a long way.

 

[Jozh]

Pedri is not terrible at 10.

He is a good 10 but to get best out of him you have to alllow him more freedom to get on ball.. get it from the defence.. get it with whole game in front of him.

Being in a two suits him as he can come for ball early from defence if thats how he sees the game and with another deep mid its easier as splits the routes out and opposition being able to stop it.

Too often Pedri under Xavi had to wait for others to get him the ball through phases.

Xavi at times had him playing more or less a second striker which was a complete waste and he didnt influence the games enough while parked high up pitch.

The Spain national team surely have to realise it also and give him that freedom.

Pedri is not a good 10, objectively. If he needs specific conditions to be a 'good 10' then there is already a problem with him playing a role such as a 10. His final ball is average and his weight of pass can be very inconsistent. He lacks the awareness to shift and adapt to a defense in zone 14 which we saw plenty of times in Spain. Olmo is a very good example of this and Gavi at 10 was great at adapting as well due to his scanning and awareness. I also agree that he deserves freedom because Pedri can influence all areas of the pitch, however his influence in the final third is drastically different usually to his influence in others. Under Xavi he was challenged a bit to play 10 and I actually believe it would have benefited him long term to learn.

 

[JamDav1982]

He is a good 10.. he was one of best at Euros there and has performed well in past there.

Just much better deeper and with freedom to move about more and to be more often at the base of midfield as Barca build the game than would be at AM.

 

[jamrock]

That's Bellingham.

If you compare the two, you immediately understand why pedri runs so much during games, his heat map is spread almost evenly across the pitch, Bellingham is more active on one side, but that's probably due to him playing on the left of carlo's 442.

Bellingham is more active on the defensive side as well, but he has to help cover the the lack of defensive effort by vini to cover the LB.

 

[vegitot]

I disagree that he isn't an offensive oriented player, I would argue he is more risk averse than other attackers or playmakers. Pedri has stated before that he likes to play behind a striker and give the final pass to make allow them to score. Granted he's terrible at 10 but I don't think he isn't offensive minded, especially given his preference for progression.

What i mean is that Pedri isn't type of a player who likes to directly take on/dribble agaisnt his opponent, nor try to create situation where he can shoot. Which is a shame because his technique and ball handling ability is world class.

Pedri is not a good 10, objectively. If he needs specific conditions to be a 'good 10' then there is already a problem with him playing a role such as a 10. His final ball is average and his weight of pass can be very inconsistent. He lacks the awareness to shift and adapt to a defense in zone 14 which we saw plenty of times in Spain. Olmo is a very good example of this and Gavi at 10 was great at adapting as well due to his scanning and awareness. I also agree that he deserves freedom because Pedri can influence all areas of the pitch, however his influence in the final third is drastically different usually to his influence in others. Under Xavi he was challenged a bit to play 10 and I actually believe it would have benefited him long term to learn.

He can be a good 10 but as a classic 10 rather than what a 10 is nowadays.

A freedom to roam and involve in team play from deep then attack in the final third, without any defensive duty.

 

[Temptation]

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That's his heat mat this season, he definitely spends most of his time in the attacking part of the pitch.

Not saying what he is or isn't, but it shows where he spends most of his time, it would be interesting to see where most of his ball recoveries come from, I would assume off the opposition deepest midfielder given where he's most active.

That means absolutely nothing in this system.

Inigo probably plays in an area where DMs play.

Flick's high line is insane and every player's average position is much higher than their position is normally associated with.

 

[jamrock]

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That means absolutely nothing in this system.

Inigo probably plays in an area where DMs play.

Flick's high line is insane and every player's average position is much higher than their position is normally associated with.

"Flick's high line is insane"

Exactly that's the tactic, we are playing now and he is playing in.

How the fuck can it not matter, its the system he's playing in now and where he is playing is now, and those are the space's he occupies.

If he wasn't playing so high the heat map would be different, IF!. Smh

 

[JamDav1982]

Pedri is not in the final third the majority of the time and thats not what that graphic shows.

He clearly spends far more time in middle third.

 

[Temptation]

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"Flick's high line is insane"

Exactly that's the tactic, we are playing now and he is playing in.

How the fuck can it not matter, its the system he's playing in now and where he is playing is now, and those are the space's he occupies.

If he wasn't playing so high the heat map would be different, IF!. Smh

Because in Flick's system everybody plays higher.

The CBs stay in the area where CDMs conventionally play. But that doesn't mean Inigo is a good DM and will work as a DM.

Pedri is not a number 10. His instincts are that of a deeper player like number 8. Look at Olmo. That is what a number 10 looks like.

 

[jamrock]

Because in Flick's system everybody plays higher.

The CBs stay in the area where CDMs conventionally play. But that doesn't mean Inigo is a good DM and will work as a DM.

Pedri is not a number 10. His instincts are that of a deeper player like number 8. Look at Olmo. That is what a number 10 looks like.

The heat man isn't showing him as a number 10, his Spain heat map would show that with the current coach, his heat map with Xavi might show that.

It would be more narrow and more inside the box.

The heat mat is simply showing he spends most of his time in the attacking half of the pitch, left to right, he goes where he's needed to keep the play moving.

 

[JamDav1982]

Pedri spends most of his time in the middle 3rd by a long way.

That graph shows how little he is in the box really.

Likes of Bellingham overall for his game is in final third and box a lot more often when compare his touches across the pitch.

The touches in defensive 3rd of Pedri, Casado and FDJ are fairly similar also and he makes more tackles in defenisve third than likes of Casado and FDJ.

 

[jamrock]

Dani olmo, note the difference, do you see him in the box a lot? And so on.

Heat maps doesn't lie, it's just presenting simply factual data, as to where a player spends most of his time on the field l.