9 - Robert Lewandowski

Temptation

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Juve also reached the CL final (non-Covid format) before CR7 joined and reached the QF the season before losing to the eventual CL Champion in controversial fashion

CR7's last CL good campaign without the help of refs was in 14/15
CL QFs isn't a big achievement for Juve.

CR7 joined Juve when their strong core was on the decline. Their last chance was in the first year CR7 joined. Not saying CR7 did amazing things in the CL for Juve but atleast he had that iconic performance against ATM and he did very well in the league.

Getting 100 goals for Juve within that period was tough.
 

Barcaman

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Staff member
If you could only support that with some semblance of science. Even though, I may sound like his unconditional worshipper, which in truth is more for kicks and giggles than anything else, I don't consider myself any less competent a viewer.
There're legitimate, rational reasons, he is on the roster every match. Nobody is that untouchable, especially not Lewandowski of all people who ever played here.
Nonsense

Jam was saying how Ronaldo made United players worse because the team was scoring less goals and players were underperforming compared to previous seasons.

Now Barca is on pace for a record number of goals and the players around RL9 are having best seasons of their careers yet apparently he's still making those around him worse.

Nah. He's not making anyone better. Guys like Raphinha, Lamine, Pedri are making Lewa score while everyone else runs for him.

Put a random guy like Budimir upfront and he easily scores 30 in this setup while having more than 2 assists entire season and runs his shift.
 

Temptation

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Player A
- Cost 100m
- Won 2 league titles out 3 seasons
- Reached CL QF, Round of 16, Round of 16

Player B
- Cost Free
- Won 2 league titles out of 2 (the club he joined didn't win the league title the season before)
- Round of 16, Round of 16

Anyone with common sense will pick Player B
Transfer fee isn't relevant to the performance, is it?

Neither Messi nor Ronaldo had anything to prove about their market value. Messi's contract ran out.

Why don't you mention their wages instead? :lol:

Funny how you don't mention their individual performances and numbers. :lol:
 

soul24rage

Senior Member
CL QFs isn't a big achievement for Juve.

CR7 joined Juve when their strong core was on the decline. Their last chance was in the first year CR7 joined. Not saying CR7 did amazing things in the CL for Juve but atleast he had that iconic performance against ATM and he did very well in the league.

Getting 100 goals for Juve within that period was tough.
Sure, CL QF is not a big achievement for Juve, nor is reaching the round of 16 for both Juve and PSG isn't either.

But the team was more than good enough to get past the likes of Ajax, Lyon and Porto.
 

soul24rage

Senior Member
Transfer fee isn't relevant to the performance, is it?

Neither Messi nor Ronaldo had anything to prove about their market value. Messi's contract ran out.

Why don't you mention their wages instead? :lol:

Funny how you don't mention their individual performances and numbers. :lol:
Transfer fee isn't relevant to performance? Where's the same energy for Enzo then?

Wages? Read on the Italian law for wages for foreign players

Juve built their squad around a player while the other didn't. Simple as that.
 

Temptation

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Transfer fee isn't relevant to performance? Where's the same energy for Enzo then?

Wages? Read on the Italian law for wages for foreign players

Juve built their squad around a player while the other didn't. Simple as that.
Enzo has proven nothing in his career. People are criticising Enzo for his performances. People are criticising Chelsea for the huge L they took with this transfer.

Messi and Ronaldo were already established when they made these moves. Totally different contract situations. Messi didn't have time left on his contract and was a free agent. Ronaldo had time left on his contract. Ofcourse they won't cost the same.

Wages is a far better metric if you wanna play this game.

The fact that your argument hinges on this and you're actively avoiding mentioning their stats and individual performances, says everything you need to know.

And I am trying to be unbiased here. I would never say CR7 had a better WC career for instance. But CR7 Juve was better than PSG Messi. Not saying he was the best itw at Juve but he was pretty damn good.
 

soul24rage

Senior Member
Enzo has proven nothing in his career. People are criticising Enzo for his performances. People are criticising Chelsea for the huge L they took with this transfer.

Messi and Ronaldo were already established when they made these moves. Totally different contract situations. Messi didn't have time left on his contract and was a free agent. Ronaldo had time left on his contract. Ofcourse they won't cost the same.

Wages is a far better metric if you wanna play this game.

The fact that your argument hinges on this and you're actively avoiding mentioning their stats and individual performances, says everything you need to know.

And I am trying to be unbiased here. I would never say CR7 had a better WC career for instance. But CR7 Juve was better than PSG Messi. Not saying he was the best itw at Juve but he was pretty damn good.
"I am trying to be unbiased" You are not going to convince anyone with that.

"People are criticizing Chelsea for the huge L" The only reason why this comes up is the transfer fee. If Enzo came in for free, people would have a different perspective on this. Nobody in their right mind thinks that Enzo was worth that much and there is absolutely no reason at all not to consider the transfer fee into CR7's time in Juve.

You can't cherry pick whatever criteria and you have to look at the overall criteria (fee, CL opposition, wages, on and off the pitch impact to the club, management and etc.). CR7 might have better individual stats than Messi during their respective time but at what cost?

Overall, both didn't achieve what they wanted sporting wise, but considering the pros and cons of everything considered, it's more of what common sense dictates.
 

Rassvet

Well-known member
Player A
- Cost 100m
- Won 2 league titles out 3 seasons
- Reached CL QF, Round of 16, Round of 16

Player B
- Cost Free
- Won 2 league titles out of 2 (the club he joined didn't win the league title the season before)
- Round of 16, Round of 16

Anyone with common sense will pick Player B
Player C
-Cost 555m
-Won 2 league titles out of 4 seasons
-Reached CL semis once

Player D (hypothetical)
-Cost 140m
-Won 2 league titles out of 3 seasons
-Reached CL semis once

Anyone with common sense would pick player D as the better deal
 

soul24rage

Senior Member
Player C
-Cost 555m
-Won 2 league titles out of 4 seasons
-Reached CL semis once

Player D (hypothetical)
-Cost 140m
-Won 2 league titles out of 3 seasons
-Reached CL semis once

Anyone with common sense would pick player D as the better deal
"Player C did his job at Barca but got let down by the club management and squad building. Team A had the squad to succeed but was let down by Player D. That was the difference."
 

KingLeo10

Senior Member
Player C
-Cost 555m
-Won 2 league titles out of 4 seasons
-Reached CL semis once

Player D (hypothetical)
-Cost 140m
-Won 2 league titles out of 3 seasons
-Reached CL semis once

Anyone with common sense would pick player D as the better deal

Player C
- Academy product
- Won 3-4 CL and 10 LL
- Won 6-7 Ballon D'Or as Barca player
- 1000 G+A in tenure
- Shat on Straitjacket Rassy on December 18, 2022

:lol:
 

SebaDzik

Member
Yamal has been very wasteful but he is a creator and prone to make mistakes.
He also has all kinds of skills whereas Lewa is a one trick old donkey.

And notice how many of our players are knackered due to constant pressing and also because of running for your poster boy. Who is, surprised surprise, rarely tired.

Great abs though.

Those are not mistakes but pure selfish decisions game after game. A brat in the making, and smb should tell him, the creator, that assists are as good as goals in his case, that he's not going to catch up for ballon or whatever he does this for with goals, but could've had like 10 more assists to his name just passing the ball to a teammate.

I agreed at one point that Lewy might cost the team the season with his shortcomings. Can you agree that the same can be said about Yamal selfishness?

Oh yes abs, I think I remember. It was one of the yapping posts which stinked of insecurity, where he said he feels good? In context of Borussia game though, wouldn't it be possible to view in a new light - as just a statement of actual form and health from a player, a straight, honest opinion for the hysterical internet and one liner brigadiers like you? Also, great abs is a proof of low fat tissue percentage, so smb's weight is built of more muscle. You can debate the usefulness but it's no nothing, no? Especially the way he trains, he's not a bodybuilder and still manages that, maybe just a way to show he's training hard still, idk.

As for Leganes game, teams defending like that can stop any team, age and pressing has nothing to do with it. The goal was a pass to a well positioned Lewandowski that had to be emergency stopped. Have your scapegoat old donkey though, don't want to take away from you, as you clearly need one. Don't forget to close your eyes on Yamal genius plays here or there though, might be a shock otherwise.
 
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Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
Good to see the old man getting a game off.


Oh wait, I'm looking at lineups now and he apparently played.

"Played" is a big word. He was on the pitch, that much is true. Still looking fresh while others around him fall from fatigue. Elite fitness.
 

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