Gnidrologist
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Nobody's following your retarded verbose ass lmao. Maybe stop posting walls of flagrant dross in every single thread whenever you wake up from another torpor.
9 - Robert Lolwandowski
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Maradona37
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Maradona37
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Last page or two is me moaning about the joke that is patriotism (TemporaryFan feels an affinity towards Lewandowski as they are Polish).
TemporaryFan
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Patriotism as a phenomena permeates and manifests itself, to a lesser or higher degree, in outer layers of one's "personal" culture, such as hobbies and interests. Sport is definitely one of them. If an athlete wins an Olympic gold medal, the nation is happy to hear their national anthem. If you can't feel the pride when your countryman is the best in the World, then you are that much poorer in getting the most joy in life from those who can.
Lewandowski was on the podium for a long time. First BVB, FC Bayern, now FC Barcelona is a platform, a reputable theater, a renowned dancing partner. His success is their success, their success is his success. To that symbiosis I can subscribe to and it works for me. But, by itself, a 'foreign' club is just an empty building where I can't feel emotions or thrill when they play. It'd be different, if I were a Catalonian, or lived there, in Barcelona, long enough.
Lewandowski was on the podium for a long time. First BVB, FC Bayern, now FC Barcelona is a platform, a reputable theater, a renowned dancing partner. His success is their success, their success is his success. To that symbiosis I can subscribe to and it works for me. But, by itself, a 'foreign' club is just an empty building where I can't feel emotions or thrill when they play. It'd be different, if I were a Catalonian, or lived there, in Barcelona, long enough.
JustAnotherBarcaFan
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For me, Barcelona has always been a club that I supported more or less, ever since I started to be interested in football as a child (Rivaldo, Overmars, de Boer times) as I mentioned earlier. Then I was amazed by Ronaldinho and then by TikiTaka and of course Messi. Tikitaka in particular was something I admired because I thought it was the essence of football - a team-play where everybody was involved. And because of this sentiment I still support Barca, even without Lewandowski or Szczesny. I will support Barca if they play against any other team in the World…except Polish one 🙂.
And I understand that someone can feel different way and doesn’t feel that connection to his/hers country but calling others „creepy” because of that is unacceptable for me.
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He does but hes too hesitant sometimes. I wish he did that more often, even if that means sometimes the ball is won back by the opposition. I understand vs teams like Madrid who are tough on the counter, but he was afraid to do the final pass vs 10 men midtable team
Also how can anyones commentary here be totally inaccurate? Do you know what you are even saying? Almost everyone here has some kind of subjective filter over their analysis and I doubt any pro footballers or coaches post hwre
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@Maradona37 but do you like Brest?
And would you like then any less because they are French?
And would you like then any less because they are French?
Maradona37
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I love Brest. They're a handful whenever they play. A bit soft in the middle though.
Funny, for me it's people following clubs that are not from their city or even nation, who are bizarre. Talking in plural like they have anything to do with each other etc. Clubs today are nothing but corporations, might as well change names to sponsors instead of cities, Fly Emirates FC or whatever. Here comes Italian coach and club plays freestyle, but now he's changed for a Spanish one, tiki taka 100% but hey, doesn't work so a German and direct football it is. No identity, no regional players, didn't RM even dropped the cross because of global audience?
I follow players, not only Polish (most often though), sometimes a coach if I like the style. Also, people following sportsmen from their region/ country is completely natural, even communist countries did that, with all their disdain for nationalism/ patriotism.
Not to mention, you've just summoned another "bizarre" one, not completely on your own tbh but more on that later. Hi people, not here for long, maybe a year or two lol.
He will get worse and worse despite of few very optimistic people on this forum. It’s just natural with his age.
Maradona37
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I don't support Barca. But yes, I find it weird supporting clubs in other cities and countries too (though less weird than being a player fanboy). I understand though it is the way of the world in a globalised society. It isn't something I would do so when I stopped supporting Rangers I didn't pick up another club.
Though I am obviously not gonna be popular saying that on here.
Overall, I was probably too harsh on TemporaryFan (he's never gave me any hassle) and shouldn't spend so much time worrying why other people like the things they do. It's their business. It was unnecessary so I will keep my thoughts to myself in future. It's just because he was being extremely biased.
However, I was also thinking about patriotism more closely, and I think it makes more sense than I thought previously. A common culture can be good. Maybe it's because I feel no affinity or closeness to plenty of people in the area I am in, so my anecdotal experience sways me. I bet if I lived somewhere with a stronger culture I might be more patriotic too. I am still not patriotic at all but maybe I can try to understand why others are. Put myself in their shoes so to speak.
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TemporaryFan
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Don't worry about me. I have a thick skin.
First of all, I don't think it is a good thread to discuss patriotism and what it really is.
Bet let's wrap this up.
In a nutshell, for an everyday mortal being, it is an emotional connection one feels for his country, countrymen, nationality, and awareness of ones own history. It is something infused in your blood as you grow up and something your parents, also the school, the church serve to facilitate. It does not influence your life on everyday basis but when your national team plays against England, or your countryman wins a Nobel Prize, or ... plays for the great F.C. Barcelona, those emotions are awoken...you feel they somehow represent you.
I gotta say, I am somewhat suprised that to such an eloquent person as you are, the notion of patriotism appears to be so foreign. I find it hard to believe that Scotland lost its national identity...it cannot be true, not because the Brave Heart is one of my favorite historical films (long overdue for a rewatch btw) or that people at the stadium present themselves with utmost dignity when they sing their national anthem, but because you have your rich history filled with patriotic ingredients and often enough I can read about Scottish independence sentiments.
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Maradona37
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You make interesting and strong points.Don't worry about me. I have a thick skin.
First of all, I don't think it is a good thread to discuss patriotism and what it really is.
Bet let's wrap this up.
In a nutshell, for an everyday mortal being, it is an emotional connection one feels for his country, countrymen, nationality, and awareness of ones own history. It is something infused in your blood as you grow up and your parents, also school facilitate the process. It does not influence your life on everyday basis but when your national team play against England, or your countryman wins a Nobel Prize, or ... plays for the great F.C. Barcelona, those emotions are awoken...you feel they somehow represent you.
I gotta say, I am somewhat suprised that to such an eloquent person as you are, the notion of patriotism appears to be so foreign. I find it hard to believe that Scotland lost its national identity...it cannot be true, not because the Brave Heart is one of my favorite historical films (long overdue for a rewatch btw) or that people at the stadium present themselves with utmost dignity when they sing their national anthem, but because you have your rich history filled with patriotic ingredients and often enough I can read about Scottish independence sentiments.
Thanks for saying I am eloquent - you are too.
Tbh a lot of Scots are very patriotic. I am something of an outlier. But I am also a weirdo who finds it hard to connect to others, so that is probably the reason I don't feel a shared culture
I did actually vote for independence by the way. But 11 years later, I am not convinced it would work. I would still rather be independent though, especially because Brexit happened a few years later.
That's enough of Scottish politics, though.
TemporaryFan
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I am sure that since Lewandowski joined the club, it automatically gained at least 1 million additionally vested viewers. Take me as an average....For instance, prior to that I could not care less about El Classico and Ronaldo vs Messi, I would have rather watched West Ham United vs Southampton...in the former played Fabianski, in the latter Boruc.
That's how it works.
Now I have Robert and Wojtek...I am all excited and happy. Life is that much more joyful.
That's how it works.
Now I have Robert and Wojtek...I am all excited and happy. Life is that much more joyful.
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