Achraf Hakimi

[Newcomer]

You can't compare Barca to PSG. We are benefiting from the relaxation of the FFP no doubt in terms of buying much more than selling (to my chagrin), but we are shifting resources to enable these new signings (cutting existing salaries, taking out loans and borrowing from the future essentially) whereas you guys, like many other clubs simply have to ask your owners to inject free money to beef up your coffers and clear up debt (like Espanyol has done recently, for example). Vastly different.

I'm not saying it is the same. We have a wealthy owner who allows us to be debt-free. The very best kind of owner.

I'm just stating that Bar?a fans can't frown about FFP being dead when it would hit them way more. Not only would you have to sell to comply, you would prolly not be able to renew Messi at this point or you would get fines + ban from UEFA. You get none of that, you are winning much more than you are losing here.

 

[Porque]

I'm not saying it is the same. We have a wealthy owner who allows us to be debt-free. The very best kind of owner.

I'm just stating that Bar?a fans can't frown about FFP being dead when it would hit them way more. Not only would you have to sell to comply, you would prolly not be able to renew Messi at this point or you would get fines + ban from UEFA. You get none of that, you are winning much more than you are losing here.

You are correct. But we also have a LaLiga imposed FFP that we must comply with. That is what stopped us from signing Depay in the past 2 windows, not the Uefa FFP.

 

[Luftstalag14]

I'm not saying it is the same. We have a wealthy owner who allows us to be debt-free. The very best kind of owner.

I'm just stating that Bar?a fans can't frown about FFP being dead when it would hit them way more. Not only would you have to sell to comply, you would prolly not be able to renew Messi at this point or you would get fines + ban from UEFA. You get none of that, you are winning much more than you are losing here.

Did the FFP really stipulate how much clubs could spend on wages? I didn't think so. If they did, how did clubs (not just us, even though we are the worst) get away with those? La Liga is the one that is imposing a wage cap, not the FFP as I am aware of.

When Barca and other fans complain about clubs like PSG and City etc., they are complaining about the perceived unfair advantages these clubs have in terms of having almost unlimited resources. In the absence of the FFP or anything similar, you guys can outspend other clubs by like 10 times without having any problems and therefore create mammoths that will leave everyone else in the dust.

 

[Newcomer]

Did the FFP really stipulate how much clubs could spend on wages? I didn't think so. If they did, how did clubs (not just us, even though we are the worst) get away with those? La Liga is the one that is imposing a wage cap, not the FFP as I am aware of.

When Barca and other fans complain about clubs like PSG and City etc., they are complaining about the perceived unfair advantages these clubs have in terms of having almost unlimited resources. In the absence of the FFP or anything similar, you guys can outspend other clubs by like 10 times without having any problems and therefore create mammoths that will leave everyone else in the dust.

Wages are de facto included in FFP calculation. You don't have a cap but with Bar?a having by far the highest wage bill while losing all the tourist money, it is hard.

Yeah, PSG and City have an unfair advantage over other clubs. Chelsea have an unfair advantge ince Roman came. Inter had an unfair advantage when Moratti felt like spending. Milan AC had an unfair advantage when Berlusconi felt like it too. We can go as far as Real Madrid poaching Reims (their biggest international rival at the time) best player. It was even said that he was the first football business football player.

https://www.europe1.fr/sport/transfert-contrats-raymond-kopa-un-pionnier-du-foot-business-2993522

Real gave him 5 times his Reims wage. Now, people will whine because PSG paid Wijnaldum more than Bar?a who have the highest bill wage in the world.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Wages are de facto included in FFP calculation. You don't have a cap but with Bar?a having by far the highest wage bill while losing all the tourist money, it is hard.

Yeah, PSG and City have an unfair advantage over other clubs. Chelsea have an unfair advantge ince Roman came. Inter had an unfair advantage when Moratti felt like spending. Milan AC had an unfair advantage when Berlusconi felt like it too. We can go as far as Real Madrid poaching Reims (their biggest international rival at the time) best player. It was even said that he was the first football business football player.

https://www.europe1.fr/sport/transfert-contrats-raymond-kopa-un-pionnier-du-foot-business-2993522

Real gave him 5 times his Reims wage. Now, people will whine because PSG paid Wijnaldum more than Bar?a who have the highest bill wage in the world.

Of course everything is relative. Real Madrid might have had an advantage back then but they don't now, and clubs like Milan, Inter, Manchester United etc. don't have the kind of advantages that Chelsea has and Chelsea pales in front of PSG and City. Again, if there isn't a FFP or something like that, PSG and City which are backed by wealthy states can outbid everybody else buy up everything if they wanted to because they will never run out of money (until we no longer rely on oil as the primary source of energy I suppose). That is what other fans are complaining about.

 

[1993Kaan1993]

Of course everything is relative. Real Madrid might have had an advantage back then but they don't now, and clubs like Milan, Inter, Manchester United etc. don't have the kind of advantages that Chelsea has and Chelsea pales in front of PSG and City. Again, if there isn't a FFP or something like that, PSG and City which are backed by wealthy states can outbid everybody else buy up everything if they wanted to because they will never run out of money (until we no longer rely on oil as the primary source of energy I suppose). That is what other fans are complaining about.

So much misinformation regarding PSG.Let me fix this.

First off, Qatar stopped funding PSG 5 years ago. Uefa doesn't let them fund us. it's also forbidden in France. however, EPL club owners can fund their teams with getting shares or loans. Second off, Real is still getting state funding from Spanish Goverment. Selling internet rights for 500 m to Providence, getting 405 m loan from Providence in return for trivial future sponsorhip revenue.it's not hard to understand Spanish Goverment is behind Providence.


we got highest CL revenue this year. (last year August CL revenue will be reflected in this year's budget as well) we got around 120 m revenue increase thanks to Accor, Nike and Rwanda deals. Though we lost 150 m due to Covid this year, this didn't affect us much because of revenue increases.

Wijnaldum 9.5 m net
Donnarumma 8+2
Hakimi 8 m with 67 m with bonuses.

we got rid of 20 m wage with offloading Silva and Cavani. Neymar, Di Maria and Draxler's wages got reduced. around 15 m. we have icardi, Gueye, Sarabia, Rafinha to sell and decrease the wage bill more and sign 2-3 more top players.

 

[serghei]

I'm not saying it is the same. We have a wealthy owner who allows us to be debt-free. The very best kind of owner.

I'm just stating that Bar?a fans can't frown about FFP being dead when it would hit them way more. Not only would you have to sell to comply, you would prolly not be able to renew Messi at this point or you would get fines + ban from UEFA. You get none of that, you are winning much more than you are losing here.

Barca and Madrid don't like that PSG doesn't have to follow the same rules of being economically self-sustainable. It's as if you have 3 acrobats, 2 are doing their jumps and exercises without a safety net and if they fall they get badly hurt, and one is doing with a safety net so that if he falls, he does it again, and again, until he gets it right, without any fuss.

Let's put it this way. If we had Qatar backing, Bartomeu's damage would be a fart in the wind. Like the sheiks would just find a way to inject some hundred millions and we'd buy Haaland this summer.

As long as PSG aren't kept in check, the historic clubs will have trouble competing in not-so-great times. It is impossible for PSG to suffer the consequences of bad management. Not the same game for clubs who can only spend what they earn organically through real marketing contracts, ticket sales etc.

 

[soul24rage]

Wages are de facto included in FFP calculation. You don't have a cap but with Bar?a having by far the highest wage bill while losing all the tourist money, it is hard.

Yeah, PSG and City have an unfair advantage over other clubs. Chelsea have an unfair advantge ince Roman came. Inter had an unfair advantage when Moratti felt like spending. Milan AC had an unfair advantage when Berlusconi felt like it too. We can go as far as Real Madrid poaching Reims (their biggest international rival at the time) best player. It was even said that he was the first football business football player.

https://www.europe1.fr/sport/transfert-contrats-raymond-kopa-un-pionnier-du-foot-business-2993522

Real gave him 5 times his Reims wage. Now, people will whine because PSG paid Wijnaldum more than Bar?a who have the highest bill wage in the world.

How likely do you think Hakimi will move to PSG? I'm hoping Hakimi moves to PSG so that Inter can bid for Molina from Udinese as replacement

 

[Newcomer]

How likely do you think Hakimi will move to PSG? I'm hoping Hakimi moves to PSG so that Inter can bid for Molina from Udinese as replacement

You can never say it is done until it is done but it is very likely.

Hakimi and his family want PSG first and foremost. PSG want Hakimi. Inter Milan want money and PSG is close to what they ask.
It is said it should be agreed by Sunday.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

You can never say it is done until it is done but it is very likely.

Hakimi and his family want PSG first and foremost. PSG want Hakimi. Inter Milan want money and PSG is close to what they ask.
It is said it should be agreed by Sunday.

Who else is even after him for seventy million?

PSG probably only option

 

[Newcomer]

Who else is even after him for seventy million?

PSG probably only option

Chelsea was interested in him.

Ofc, at this price tag, only a few clubs could get him. He was bought for 40 millions last year, had a good season, is 22 and has a long contract. It is the price for him and you'll pay it if you are as desperate as PSG is in that position.

 

[Luftstalag14]

So much misinformation regarding PSG.Let me fix this.

First off, Qatar stopped funding PSG 5 years ago. Uefa doesn't let them fund us. it's also forbidden in France. however, EPL club owners can fund their teams with getting shares or loans. Second off, Real is still getting state funding from Spanish Goverment. Selling internet rights for 500 m to Providence, getting 405 m loan from Providence in return for trivial future sponsorhip revenue.it's not hard to understand Spanish Goverment is behind Providence.


we got highest CL revenue this year. (last year August CL revenue will be reflected in this year's budget as well) we got around 120 m revenue increase thanks to Accor, Nike and Rwanda deals. Though we lost 150 m due to Covid this year, this didn't affect us much because of revenue increases.

Wijnaldum 9.5 m net
Donnarumma 8+2
Hakimi 8 m with 67 m with bonuses.

we got rid of 20 m wage with offloading Silva and Cavani. Neymar, Di Maria and Draxler's wages got reduced. around 15 m. we have icardi, Gueye, Sarabia, Rafinha to sell and decrease the wage bill more and sign 2-3 more top players.

Qatar stopped funding you? According to who? Which UEFA law/rule/stipulation forbids the owner(s) of a club to fund the club? What French laws? Cut the you are self-sustainable BS.

Where does the net 120m additional revenue come from? Nike, Accord and Rwanda are paying you 120m MORE THAN what they paid you prior to last season? Sources please, French ones are fine as I can Google translate.

Lastly, Real Madrid borrowed 200m from the Spanish government last season, yes. That's something they will have to pay back (despite at a favorable interest rate) eventually, not like owners cash injection and issuing stocks to bump up a club's capital coffers like what Atletico Madrid just did today. Real Madrid got 500m from Providence and then got another 405m loan from them? A total of 905 from Providence to Real Madrid? Sources?

 

[Messigician]

Qatar stopped funding you? According to who? Which UEFA law/rule/stipulation forbids the owner(s) of a club to fund the club? What French laws? Cut the you are self-sustainable BS.

Where does the net 120m additional revenue come from? Nike, Accord and Rwanda are paying you 120m MORE THAN what they paid you prior to last season? Sources please, French ones are fine as I can Google translate.

Lastly, Real Madrid borrowed 200m from the Spanish government last season, yes. That's something they will have to pay back (despite at a favorable interest rate) eventually, not like owners cash injection and issuing stocks to bump up a club's capital coffers like what Atletico Madrid just did today. Real Madrid got 500m from Providence and then got another 405m loan from them? A total of 905 from Providence to Real Madrid? Sources?

Savage af

 

[Barcilliant]

So much misinformation regarding PSG.Let me fix this.

First off, Qatar stopped funding PSG 5 years ago. Uefa doesn't let them fund us. it's also forbidden in France. however, EPL club owners can fund their teams with getting shares or loans. Second off, Real is still getting state funding from Spanish Goverment. Selling internet rights for 500 m to Providence, getting 405 m loan from Providence in return for trivial future sponsorhip revenue.it's not hard to understand Spanish Goverment is behind Providence.


we got highest CL revenue this year. (last year August CL revenue will be reflected in this year's budget as well) we got around 120 m revenue increase thanks to Accor, Nike and Rwanda deals. Though we lost 150 m due to Covid this year, this didn't affect us much because of revenue increases.

Wijnaldum 9.5 m net
Donnarumma 8+2
Hakimi 8 m with 67 m with bonuses.

we got rid of 20 m wage with offloading Silva and Cavani. Neymar, Di Maria and Draxler's wages got reduced. around 15 m. we have icardi, Gueye, Sarabia, Rafinha to sell and decrease the wage bill more and sign 2-3 more top players.

Please post your sources or evidence of this. Smells like bs to me but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Laplacian]

lmao 5 years ago...
Didn't they literally spend 400m on two players within a year like 4 years ago. Not even Madrid and Barcelona, with their success couldn't done that. PSG pulled it out of thin air.