Alexis Sanchez

Alarcón

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The problem is really that there are no options available. I don't think Alexis is a very good fit for our team but honestly, who could we get? I would only take Agüero and maybe Reus over Alexis but City will never sell ans Dortmund don't want to lose another player. Good right wingers are scarce nowadays.
 

fcbdna

Banned
I've decided to waste my time and do a little ("") statistical comparison for these players to see who is overall the most well-rounded. For every category, the person who got the best out of it (most goals, for example), will get 5 points, the next 4, the next 3, etc. If it's a tie, they'll each get the points. I'll add up the points at the end and the most points will be the best. Then, (in case Alexis loses :lol:), I'll actually look at the stats and try to explain what I think they mean instead of just waving around numbers and say how I think that would make them fit in at Barca.

----------------------------------Alexis----Pedro----Cuadrado----Reus----Di Maria--------A---P---C--R--DM--
---Appearances(substitute)--------20(3)-----18(9)------18(3)----23(2)-----20(7)---------3---4---5---1---2--
---Goals---------------------------13-------13----------4---------10--------7-----------5---5---1---3---2--
---Assists--------------------------5--------5-----------6---------8---------9-----------2---2---3---4---5--
---Shots/Goal---------------------3.54-----3.15--------14.25-----9.5--------7.29--------4---5---1---2---3--
---Key Passes(per game)-----------1.4-------1----------1.5------2.4--------2.3----------2---1---3---5---4--
---Dribbles(per game)--------------1.1------0.5---------4.5-------2.3--------1.2---------2---1---5---4---3--
---Dispossessed(per game)---------1.1------0.7---------2.2--------2---------0.9---------3---5---1---2---4--
---Turnovers(per game)------------1.3------0.9---------1.8--------1.6-------1.2---------3---5---1---2---4--
---Tackles(per game)--------------1.7-------1----------1.5--------1.3-------1.3---------5---1---4---3---3--
---Interceptions(per game)---------0.5------0.3---------0.6--------0.6-------0.6---------2---1---5---5---5--
---Fouls(per game)-----------------1.3------0.5---------1----------1.2-------0.8---------1---5---3---2---4--
---Passes(per game)---------------29.1-----26.1-------38.7-------32.5------38.4---------2---1---5---3---4--
---Passes Suc%-------------------80.1-----86.1-------83.5-------76.8------81.7---------2---5---4---1---3--
---Crosses(per game)--------------0.4------0.6---------0.4---------1--------1.8---------2---3---2---4---5--
---Long Balls(per game)------------0.6------0.3---------1.7---------1.9-------3----------2---1---3---4---5--
---Through Balls(per game)---------0.3------0.2---------0.1---------0.3------0.3---------5---2---1---5---5--
---Total Points--------------------------------------------------------------------------45--48--47--50--61-



TLDR-Those players might be better than Alexis at the role they provide, but they wouldn't be able to replace Alexis at what he does for our side and probably wouldn't be able to replicate their game here due to the way we play. Reus and Cuadrado both have a much freer role in their side, Di Maria got a lot of points for crossing and isn't as versatile, and Pedro is a much safer player, which is useful sometimes but sometimes we need a more bold one like Alexis.

Absolutely brilliant post and compilation. I reckon it must have taken a while to do that. Anyway, I am impressed. However, I beg to differ on your opinion that Alexis is BOLDER than the players mentioned. You might notice from the stats compilation that Alexis falls short in the areas of Key passes, assists, successful passes and passes per game. For a winger I must say that's far from satisfactory by any standard considering that we have a more passing oriented play style than the other guys in the stats table.
 

Semi-Neutral

Sir Alupp Heynrguson
First of all, thanks for the compliment, it did take some time but not as long as it looks. As for the passes, I was pretty surprised as well, but I think it has more to do with the roles of our wingers. Pedro has much the same problem, he has a higher successful percentage but lower key passes. They both don't really get involved as much, sticking more to their wings and as such not really getting the ball a whole lot. I'm almost convinced Tello has the same problem, the only winger who doesn't seem to have the problem is Neymar, he does get involved a lot more, and he's got brilliant technique which lets him get inside to where Pedro and Alexis can't and play the passes to our central areas. But that is an area Alexis can improve in, and I'm confident those stats will go up once Messi gets scoring again.
 
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beautifulgame

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I've decided to waste my time and do a little ("") statistical comparison for these players to see who is overall the most well-rounded. For every category, the person who got the best out of it (most goals, for example), will get 5 points, the next 4, the next 3, etc. If it's a tie, they'll each get the points. I'll add up the points at the end and the most points will be the best. Then, (in case Alexis loses :lol:), I'll actually look at the stats and try to explain what I think they mean instead of just waving around numbers and say how I think that would make them fit in at Barca.

----------------------------------Alexis----Pedro----Cuadrado----Reus----Di Maria--------A---P---C--R--DM--
---Appearances(substitute)--------20(3)-----18(9)------18(3)----23(2)-----20(7)---------3---4---5---1---2--
---Goals---------------------------13-------13----------4---------10--------7-----------5---5---1---3---2--
---Assists--------------------------5--------5-----------6---------8---------9-----------2---2---3---4---5--
---Shots/Goal---------------------3.54-----3.15--------14.25-----9.5--------7.29--------4---5---1---2---3--
---Key Passes(per game)-----------1.4-------1----------1.5------2.4--------2.3----------2---1---3---5---4--
---Dribbles(per game)--------------1.1------0.5---------4.5-------2.3--------1.2---------2---1---5---4---3--
---Dispossessed(per game)---------1.1------0.7---------2.2--------2---------0.9---------3---5---1---2---4--
---Turnovers(per game)------------1.3------0.9---------1.8--------1.6-------1.2---------3---5---1---2---4--
---Tackles(per game)--------------1.7-------1----------1.5--------1.3-------1.3---------5---1---4---3---3--
---Interceptions(per game)---------0.5------0.3---------0.6--------0.6-------0.6---------2---1---5---5---5--
---Fouls(per game)-----------------1.3------0.5---------1----------1.2-------0.8---------1---5---3---2---4--
---Passes(per game)---------------29.1-----26.1-------38.7-------32.5------38.4---------2---1---5---3---4--
---Passes Suc%-------------------80.1-----86.1-------83.5-------76.8------81.7---------2---5---4---1---3--
---Crosses(per game)--------------0.4------0.6---------0.4---------1--------1.8---------2---3---2---4---5--
---Long Balls(per game)------------0.6------0.3---------1.7---------1.9-------3----------2---1---3---4---5--
---Through Balls(per game)---------0.3------0.2---------0.1---------0.3------0.3---------5---2---1---5---5--
---Total Points--------------------------------------------------------------------------45--48--47--50--61-

All right then... :lol:

Well, let's look at what those statistics mean before we make any rash judgement, eh? Let's look at Cuadrado first. Based on these numbers, he's very involved in the build-up, gets the ball a lot, is one of Florentina's most dangerous attackers, but has very little end product to show despite it. He passes a lot, dribbles a lot, shoots a lot, but is very inefficient and doesn't accomplish that much.So while he may be good, maybe even better than Alexis, he's not suited to our game due to his poor finishing and lack of end product in general. Now we have Reus. Reus is the fulcrum of Dortmund's attack; anything involving having the ball, whether it be goals, passes, shots, assists, long balls, whatever... he's got a lot of it. Especially with Gotze's departure and everyone getting injured, Dortmund flows through Reus, so he has a Messi-esque role in that he carries the attack and everything goes through him. Good player, sure, but he wouldn't get the role he thrives in as a replacement for Alexis.

Then there's Di Maria, who is apparently a god according to this system, something I wasn't expecting at all. Really though, his games focused on crosses, long balls, and assists; something one can attribute to Madrid's direct style. That's where he really earned his points, as all the other teams (well, don't really know about Florentina) don't send the ball into the air nearly as much, and prefer a lot more buildup focused style play. But in addition to that, Di Maria is just a really solid player. He has a good conversion rate, dribbles a lot, doesn't lose the ball too much, and tracks back quite well. What Alexis beats him at is goals; Di Maria, as good as he is, would not be able to function to his fullest in our attack. He's very much a winger, and can play well on either side, but he wouldn't be able to trump Alexis in the middle. Perhaps a bit of a weak argument, but I would still take Alexis for us over Di Maria on that fact alone, just because of his increased versatility.

And finally, our own dear Pedro. It's kind of awesome to see how much his statistics correlate with what he actually does. He hardly loses the ball, hardly gets dispossessed, has a high pass succession rate, has an amazing shot conversion rate, doesn't have many fouls, but doesn't have many key passes, many through balls, many assists, many tackles, just because of his nature. Pedro is one of the safest wingers out there. He keeps possession, keeps the ball moving, opts to contain attackers instead of steal the ball from them, doesn't play the dangerous pass as often as most, doesn't shoot unless he's sure he'll score... Are those all good qualities? Absolutely. But in times where we need to break a defense, where we need to put pressure on the opposition, when we need to crack a bus, we need a player who is ready to take on the defense and not just recycle possession. So for that, we can't replace Alexis with Pedro.

TLDR-Those players might be better than Alexis at the role they provide, but they wouldn't be able to replace Alexis at what he does for our side and probably wouldn't be able to replicate their game here due to the way we play. Reus and Cuadrado both have a much freer role in their side, Di Maria got a lot of points for crossing and isn't as versatile, and Pedro is a much safer player, which is useful sometimes but sometimes we need a more bold one like Alexis.



imo your best post ever. as well as the comprehensive and concrete one regarding alexis debate. thanks! cheers
 

Pepe Silvia

Active member
I wanted us to sell Alexis with all my heart before the begining of this season because he was shit for 37 M but now I don't want it anymore. He took a 180 degree turn and became this awesome player. Don't get all the bashing. He is our top goalscorer so far. Why splash 60-80 M for an Alexis replacement since Alexis is finally doing well and you don't have the assurance that the new guy will instantly adapt.
Same here bro.

If there is one thing left to desire from Alexis is that he stand on his own two feet when Messi is IN the game. He already proved he can more than not only lift, but freaking carry this team on his back, but when Messi is in the game there are plenty of odd moments that leave everyone scratching their heads. Same with Pedro to an extent.

Messi does take up a lot of space roaming and has an excellent standard that others must rise too but it has proved to make others go in a shell for long stretches, which may be why players like Ibra left. Tata has to find that right balance quick because time is running out for mistakes like Valencia and Levante.
 

CatalinR10

Senior Member
Alexis Sanchez has so far scored 15 goals for Barceloan this season, equalling his season record of 2011-2012 #fcblive [via fcb]
 

serghei

Senior Member
The problem is really that there are no options available. I don't think Alexis is a very good fit for our team but honestly, who could we get? I would only take Agüero and maybe Reus over Alexis but City will never sell ans Dortmund don't want to lose another player. Good right wingers are scarce nowadays.

People never heard of Reus until 2 seasons ago. Also, when we bought Yaya from Monaco, people barely knew him. There are players in the market that worth more than what the media or the fans think they're worth. You just need a competent team to monitor these players and go for them before other teams do. Juventus bought Vidal for a mere 10 million. I remember watching some of Leverkusen's matches in Budesliga and Vidal always stood out to me for something. Now people only look for the obvious choices, which is very wrong.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
Yep. You sometimes wonder what the scouts actually do. I'd say that's still one of the most underrated aspects in football and definitely a lot of room for improvement when it comes to Barca.
 

coura

Banned
Pogba went out for free to Juve from United.

So many examples. Barça has La Masia and it´s very good but our scouting is terrible. Scouting great well known players is easy :p
 

serghei

Senior Member
The only thing that bothers me about Alexis is that his unpredictability doesn't always bring good things. He can always make a great pass and a pathetic one in a couple of minutes and that's something he should improve fast.
 

KhaledBarca

New member
Only 5 players in top5 lgs have more goals+assists than Alexis (32) this season (club+country)

Ibra 51 CR 49 Suarez 38 Aguero 37 Negredo 33


Messi 7th with (31), Neymar 9th with (29) and Cesc 14th with (27).
 

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