André Gomes

[Potroh]

It's easy to piss on the worst player on the field when the midfield is inexistent as a whole, the forwards dont link with the rest of the team and there is no gameplan. He is a good player, way above average and his career shows he is improving. He wasnt an absurd transfer because he is a good prospect, but that doesnt implies he is good enough for us or our style, but crucifying him when the whole team has been shit is easy.

If he is a good player and a good prospect for you, I wish you watching a team that consists 11 players like him - probably it will be in the 2nd league.
He's been bad for Barca in 29 games, he was bad for his national team this year, etc.

We have been struggling in almost every game, we cant even start a play from a goal kick, if you don believe me then you didnt watch our games vs Atlético, Bilbao, Sevilla and many others. The system is the one to blame (meaning the coach) and we dont even press as Lucho's first season which makes our liabilities bigger.
Once again. he might not be a good fit, time will tell, but he is a good player.

I personally do not believe you - as you asked - because your sentences are highly controversial.
But I understand you because you mention twice he is a good player. You simply like him for some reason, which I do understand but it doesn't make your deductions true.
Gomes is a good player but well below the intended Barca level.

Just as it was wisely mentioned on this thread today by SeloBarca:
"Is he good at passing? no
Is he fast? no
Is he good at tackling? no
is he good at finishing? no
Is he good at dribbling? no
Is he good in air? no"

So despite all this if he is still a promising good player for you, all you need to do is to tell me in WHAT aspect he is good. That's all needed.

 

[FlaFCB]

It's easy to piss on the worst player on the field when the midfield is inexistent as a whole, the forwards dont link with the rest of the team and there is no gameplan. He is a good player, way above average and his career shows he is improving. He wasnt an absurd transfer because he is a good prospect, but that doesnt implies he is good enough for us or our style, but crucifying him when the whole team has been shit is easy.

We have been struggling in almost every game, we cant even start a play from a goal kick, if you don believe me then you didnt watch our games vs Atlético, Bilbao, Sevilla and many others. The system is the one to blame (meaning the coach) and we dont even press as Lucho's first season which makes our liabilities bigger.

Once again. he might not be a good fit, time will tell, but he is a good player.

He is an ok player, why at first I thought lucho had some actual plan in mind for him. But I don't think you'll find many people here who care about that. Right now he's a complete mismatch, and lucho is actually making it worse by playing him a lot, while marginalizing Rakitic.

 

[Vilarrubi]

The rotations with him has ruined Rakitic too, he looks nervous in most games now. All down to Gomes.

 

[Diogo28]

If he is a good player and a good prospect for you, I wish you watching a team that consists 11 players like him - probably it will be in the 2nd league.
He's been bad for Barca in 29 games, he was bad for his national team this year, etc.



I personally do not believe you - as you asked - because your sentences are highly controversial.
But I understand you because you mention twice he is a good player. You simply like him for some reason, which I do understand but it doesn't make your deductions true.
Gomes is a good player but well below the intended Barca level.

Just as it was wisely mentioned on this thread today by SeloBarca:
"Is he good at passing? no
Is he fast? no
Is he good at tackling? no
is he good at finishing? no
Is he good at dribbling? no
Is he good in air? no"

So despite all this if he is still a promising good player for you, all you need to do is to tell me in WHAT aspect he is good. That's all needed.

That's easy. I dont have any particular reason to like but i can tell you the whole story.

I've watched him since he started playing from Benfica (the rival of my personal favourite FCPorto) very early (18 yo). Their system was frenetic 4-4-2 where he was the 8 of the team when he played. He is very good in quick transitions and quick counters (when you have space basicly). His vision was good and he scored a few long range goals with his good shooting ability. As note, he played more in Europe league than in the domestic games and he had excelent games against Juve (they eliminated them) and Sevilla on the final. He even scored an amazing goal against Porto on a game he was a total monster despite his age.
We are trying to make in play deep in tight spaces and low pace tatic, he might not be the best fit for that but he has proven he is good already.

On another note, i dont think of one player that improved a lot under Lucho's tenancy, unfortunately he isnt the first.

 

[Potroh]

The rotations with him has ruined Rakitic too, he looks nervous in most games now. All down to Gomes.

Absolutely so, but these were NOT rotations in the classical sense.
"Rotation" is the phenomenon when a standard and usually key player is left on the bench in order to take rest.

Rotations are NOT equal to:
- experimentation
- value proofing
- personal preferences
- primitive pedagogical games
- personal penalties
- sympathies

When Enrique confidently said he wanted rotations, he still thought of Arda as a midfielder, Roberto as a RB, Denis as the new Iniesta, Gomes as a useful player in the team and the most silly one: Paco as a Suarez clone. More than half a year proved him being elementary wrong but he still thinks the same... crazy...

 

[vlad]

well, he is ultimate shit, that is my conclusion

 

[dakt]

I don't know what is his ceiling, but here where we fight for trophies on multiple fronts, player development is very costly...and with chances he got, didn't impressed me not even once. I'm sure he's a good guy, but not as good player.

 

[Potroh]

I've watched him since he started playing from Benfica (the rival of my personal favourite FCPorto) very early (18 yo).
We are trying to make in play deep in tight spaces and low pace tatic, he might not be the best fit for that but he has proven he is good already.

All right, so you have actually seen him playing very well, alas I did not.
You mention if there is huge space for him he can be better, but that stands for all football players nowadays, because the good one is capable of doing magic in very tight spaces, whereas you will always find hundreds of players with strong feet who can do stuff when there's nobody nearby.

Still you did not contradict SeloBarca's list. In fact I can't name a single aspect he would be very good. None.

You see, in my playing time things were easier and even more human.
If the team wanted to sign a new player, he was invited to play at 1-2-3 "test games" and if he proved to be eligible, he was signed. But never the other way around!
The coach and the management thanked the guy for his participation then ALL players were privately asked to tell their own opinions if the new guy would fit or not.

Nowadays, when "money talks", there are no tests, other players are not asked, but still they are the ones to carry the burden of a fiasco.
Maybe some of them like the newcomer as a human, they get along well, but the key players are usually very much aware of the actual qualities of their colleges.
Just imagine Messi or Neymar or Iniesta when they day by day have to face the lack of technical skills of players like Gomes, Mathieu, Alcacer or Digne. Sooner or later these stars will swallow their real opinions and doubts, which always leads to a mentally broken team mentality... even if they are well on the personal level...

 

[Messi983]

The rotations with him has ruined Rakitic too, he looks nervous in most games now. All down to Gomes.

Yeah, because Gomes is putting himself into starting XI.

If anyone has f*** up Rakitić it's Lucho. But I don't think that's totally the case. Rakitić wasn't at his best even at the start of the season before all those crazy rotations started. So while I think it's mostly Lucho's fault that our midfield doesnt' work we can also say that Rakitić playing worse than he had in previous seasons is also his own fault (he is just out of form and I think he also had some personal problems that influenced his game). And I'm Rakitić's fan and think Lucho mistreated him (just like he did with Vidal) but Rakitić losing his place as undisputed starter is much more his (and Lucho's) fault than Gomes's. You can dislike Gomes all you want but to say it's his fault that Rakitić is also underperforming it's just not true.

 

[Devils]

I'm so sick of seeing Gomes's 'potential' being posted as his defence.

Forget his football potential, which he has barely showed, what about his athleticism? Does anyone believe that a guy who's is physically and mentally slow, disjointed, weak and with virtually no agility or composure has the capacity to play top level football? Yet alone at Barcelona?

This guy is 23 years old yet he displays the athleticism of a 60 year old man. It's shocking.

I've said it before on here, Gomes's football potential doesn't mean shit if he doesn't have the required athleticism to play football at the highest level. And he is doing an exceptionally good job at convincing many Barca fans that he isn't a Barca level athlete.

 

[Potroh]

You can dislike Gomes all you want but to say it's his fault that Rakitić is also underperforming it's just not true.

Of course it's not Gomes's fault as such. But one needs to understand the dressing room dynamics to judge the situation.
History:
Rakitic was good, more or less took Xavi's place, won titles, played like a tiger and played well.
Then the management brought in Arda Turan to take his place. It didn't work. Then they bought Gomes, brought back Denis (Rafinha was still there to compete) and Roberto was made a false defender, who also competed for Rakitic's midfield post. Then they announced the rotation strategy, which would ALWAYS be a dampening or pull downing factor for the players who don't play or are on the bench to play the last 15 minutes of a game.

Thus it's not Gomes's fault (though he became the preferred one) but his very presence that tells the involved player "I'm not needed anymore" or "the management has no confidence in me anymore".
This may effectively screw up a player mentally, as I've already mentioned that in detail in this emotionally unbalanced forum not long ago.

Thus you can't keep 2-3 players to "fight" for a given post, because at the end it becomes counter productive and results in situations like the present one.
If any of you have ever attended a coaching course, it has been taught in the second week. You need a REGULAR starting team, confident, calm and ambitious players, but the experimentation should NOT ever happen on the highest level.
New players can always be purchased and SLOWLY amalgamated to the post of an ageing one, but that should never result either the loss of confidence to a regular player or the starting ones should never ever feel that they need to COVER for the experiments or the resulted tohuva bohu...

 

[mark1nhu]

Gave up on him.

I understand our team is a mess for Lucho's fault, but he doesn't look like a Barça player to me, after seeing several games to decide on it.

He carries the ball to much, relying on physical duels, looks like an EPL player. Barça players are supposed to handle the game with pass pass pass.

 

[God Serena]

Of course it's not Gomes's fault as such. But one needs to understand the dressing room dynamics to judge the situation.
History:
Rakitic was good, more or less took Xavi's place, won titles, played like a tiger and played well.
Then the management brought in Arda Turan to take his place. It didn't work. Then they bought Gomes, brought back Denis (Rafinha was still there to compete) and Roberto was made a false defender, who also competed for Rakitic's midfield post. Then they announced the rotation strategy, which would ALWAYS be a dampening or pull downing factor for the players who don't play or are on the bench to play the last 15 minutes of a game.

Thus it's not Gomes's fault (though he became the preferred one) but his very presence that tells the involved player "I'm not needed anymore" or "the management has no confidence in me anymore".
This may effectively screw up a player mentally, as I've already mentioned that in detail in this emotionally unbalanced forum not long ago.

Thus you can't keep 2-3 players to "fight" for a given post, because at the end it becomes counter productive and results in situations like the present one.
If any of you have ever attended a coaching course, it has been taught in the second week. You need a REGULAR starting team, confident, calm and ambitious players, but the experimentation should NOT ever happen on the highest level.
New players can always be purchased and SLOWLY amalgamated to the post of an ageing one, but that should never result either the loss of confidence to a regular player or the starting ones should never ever feel that they need to COVER for the experiments or the resulted tohuva bohu...

How... how dare you?

 

[KingMessi]

How... how dare you?

Well he's not wrong.

 

[Potroh]

How... how dare you?

Sorry. I stand corrected:
...as I've already mentioned that in detail in this emotionally exceptionally stable forum not long ago.

Addition: ...where folks try to talk about the team and the game generally in a very civilized, bipartisan, objective and expert way.
Happy?