André Gomes

[DonAK]

Add Rafinha to that selling list also.

Depends on whether Rafinha can even come back from all his injuries as it's not looking good for him. I'm no medical expert or close to any information on him, but being out for so long with his knee not recovering and then have another surgery on it.....it doesn't look good for his career.

This is Holger Badstuber-esque.

 

[Potroh]

In the end he was missing the ability to make the right decision and/or execute it in an important moment.
Gomes lost possession plenty of times. You claimed that Iniesta did that which is wrong but it applies to Gomes.

To simply put: Gomes is horrible in this team.
The team has a rhythm, which he is just unable to ever follow.
Probably he is the most predictable player I have ever seen wearing a Barca dress and just to watch him run: is a painful experience in itself.
Whenever he tries to make any movement, he is sliving, old-mannish but before all you can always guess when he is trying a back-pass. Forward passes are almost non-existent for him.

I'm certain we would have won if anyone else played in that forward role today...

 

[khaled_a_d]

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Not sure how reliable is this

 

[reaper]

I'm certain we would have won if anyone else played in that forward role today...

Agreed. Complete self sabotage to start him today.

 

[Zuti]

Can't shake the feeling that we would have had a overall better game if he had not started. He is as missplaced in Barca as an elephant in a glass house.

 

[serghei]

As far as I'm concerned, this club need to clear out the entire midfield bar Iniesta, Roberto, Busquets, Paulinho and Denis(although more of a winger IMO) next season.

Coutinho or a creative midfielder who can actually keep the ball and dribble players is a must in the midfield. Alenya definitely should be promoted. He's playing above Segunda level right now. Should really be playing for a La Liga team, but he should never be loaned out.

Rakitic, Gomes, Arda, everyone should be sold.

I agree with this. Coutinho and Seri/other CM should be signed. Coutinho for Iniesta, and Seri for the CM role. Messi moved up a bit. Him in midfield doesn't convince me. Rest of the team is fine.

We basically need to change 2 men in midfield.

Coutinho, Seri, Busquets, Paulinho, Alenia and Roberto are the 6 men we should count on there. We could form a 3 men or 4 men midfield that is very competitive and balanced with those 6. You have ball playing (Coutinho, Alenia), DM type (Busi, Roberto), ball winning direct, B2B style (Paulinho), everything you need.

 

[MessiCam]

I agree with this. Coutinho and Seri/other CM should be signed. Coutinho for Iniesta, and Seri for the CM role. Messi moved up a bit. Him in midfield doesn't convince me. Rest of the team is fine.

We basically need to change 2 men in midfield.

Coutinho, Seri, Busquets, Paulinho, Alenia and Roberto are the 6 men we should count on there. We could form a 3 men or 4 men midfield that is very competitive and balanced with those 6. You have ball playing (Coutinho, Alenia), DM type (Busi, Roberto), ball winning direct, B2B style (Paulinho), everything you need.

I agree that Barça are 2 signings short of finding balance in midfield. But Messi playing deep was a consequence of how Atléti lines up. Particularly against Barça.

The game changed significantly once Roberto and Deulofeu came on and hence there was a bit more space for Messi to exploit. I can’t wait for Dembélé to be fit again because right now it appears as if Valverde has given up on the idea of wing forwards but it is actually essential to the way we want to play football.

This 4-4-2 nonsense is starting to frustrate me to no end because it stems from an obsession to maintain defensive shape when not in possession of the ball. This is also a major reason why Messi is forced to play deeper.

Even Simeone said that the changes in the second half allowed Barça to play more Barça like. If this is going to be Valverde’s blueprint then he might as well pack his shit now.

 

[Potroh]

This 4-4-2 nonsense is starting to frustrate me to no end because it stems from an obsession to maintain defensive shape when not in possession of the ball.

Same feelings here...
Valverde is still experimenting and the team has more or less a single forward now (Messi), who often needs to go back deep to conjure up something. Suarez is slightly getting better but Valverde should know as well as any of us does, that he is NOT a winger, he will never be, so whatever formation he comes up with, week by week, is merely temporary.
Playing Gomes this entire game was a strange and bad idea, that indeed shows his defensive obsession. Playing Paulinho less than ten minutes in a game like that was also a bad decision.
The problem is that Barca doesn't have a stylish attacking anymore, it is Messi and Messi alone.

 

[kilian]

As I said in the chat, we didn`t have anyone on the wings trying to do something. Our wingers were basically Alba and Gomes so 1vs1 play on the wings was non-existent, they were just trying to pass the ball into the middle, which was congested. A pretty stupid idea by Valverde to cripple our other wing, when we already have the left wing crippled with only Alba there. When Deulofeu came on, he actually ran at the defenders with the ball, so they had to give him more attention and leave more space in the central part, resulting in us playing much better.

Valverde, enough with your fucking 442.

Gomes was pretty solid, IMO.

 

[André]

Gomes had his best minutes for us in the second half as LCM.
The first half is not.his fault. He is not a RW.

 

[JamDav1982]

No he did not. I liked his movement but nothing beyond that.
Deu's pass to him was the perfect example. His run was really good but his first touch was not perfect which led to a bouncing pass instead of a carpet pass. Shooting was also a good option.
In the end he was missing the ability to make the right decision and/or execute it in an important moment.

Gomes lost possession plenty of times. You claimed that Iniesta did that which is wrong but it applies to Gomes.

Yes he did and I said Iniesta was trying to force the pass and lost it too many times and was invisible in defending. Wasnt wrong on that and Iniesta had poorest pass % of the midfielders.

Iniesta performance is irrelevant anyway to Gomes.

 

[MessiCam]

Same feelings here...
Valverde is still experimenting and the team has more or less a single forward now (Messi), who often needs to go back deep to conjure up something. Suarez is slightly getting better but Valverde should know as well as any of us does, that he is NOT a winger, he will never be, so whatever formation he comes up with, week by week, is merely temporary.
Playing Gomes this entire game was a strange and bad idea, that indeed shows his defensive obsession. Playing Paulinho less than ten minutes in a game like that was also a bad decision.
The problem is that Barca doesn't have a stylish attacking anymore, it is Messi and Messi alone.

Suárez doesn’t have to play as a LW but rather a forward who occupies the half space on the left. Alba, can provide the width.

Even this Barcelona team is capable of playing stylish attacking, passing football as witnessed by the Eibar and Juventus games but Valverde’s tactics have regressed since then. 4-3-3 was used in both those games but since the Eibar game it’s been 4-4-2 all the way.

Maybe there is some truth to the Valverde/Suárez frostiness due to him being played out left because we’ve persisted with this crap for 4 games running now.

Anyway, I have a feeling that Suárez will be moved on at the end of the season.

 

[khaled_a_d]

As far as I'm concerned, this club need to clear out the entire midfield bar Iniesta, Roberto, Busquets, Paulinho and Denis(although more of a winger IMO) next season.

Coutinho or a creative midfielder who can actually keep the ball and dribble players is a must in the midfield. Alenya definitely should be promoted. He's playing above Segunda level right now. Should really be playing for a La Liga team, but he should never be loaned out.

Rakitic, Gomes, Arda, everyone should be sold.

I agree with this. Coutinho and Seri/other CM should be signed. Coutinho for Iniesta, and Seri for the CM role. Messi moved up a bit. Him in midfield doesn't convince me. Rest of the team is fine.

We basically need to change 2 men in midfield.

Coutinho, Seri, Busquets, Paulinho, Alenia and Roberto are the 6 men we should count on there. We could form a 3 men or 4 men midfield that is very competitive and balanced with those 6. You have ball playing (Coutinho, Alenia), DM type (Busi, Roberto), ball winning direct, B2B style (Paulinho), everything you need.

Those two statement are kind contradictory IMHO
Busquets: starting DM
Iniesta,Paulinho,Alena are back up CM, Denis and Roberto are possible back up for that position too.
That is 6 midfielders already, this limit our ability to sign new midfielders, that is why you see a guy like Ceballos would go to RM, we already have a crowded midfield even if it is with lower quality and he sees them as a club that was succesful with young players.
You can convince a star player like Coutinho who knows that he will walk into our starting line up, but it will be tough to sign two of those. Groetzke/Seri etc will be tough to convince with such crowded midfield, we will need to sell more than Gomes/Rakitic to get them.

 

[clemente]

Those two statement are kind contradictory IMHO
Busquets: starting DM
Iniesta,Paulinho,Alena are back up CM, Denis and Roberto are possible back up for that position too.
That is 6 midfielders already, this limit our ability to sign new midfielders, that is why you see a guy like Ceballos would go to RM, we already have a crowded midfield even if it is with lower quality and he sees them as a club that was succesful with young players.
You can convince a star player like Coutinho who knows that he will walk into our starting line up, but it will be tough to sign two of those. Groetzke/Seri etc will be tough to convince with such crowded midfield, we will need to sell more than Gomes/Rakitic to get them.

Ceballos went to RM because he is either braindead or still hates barca, here he could easily become a starter, while at RM he has like 6 other midfielders ahead of him

 

[vlad]

Ceballos went to RM because he is either braindead or still hates barca, here he could easily become a starter, while at RM he has like 6 other midfielders ahead of him

Didnt he start one match and scored 2 goals for them? It was similar case with isco under ancelotti, benitez and then he showed that he is in top 3 players on his position, real is buying smart, ceballos maybe chose them because they look better and had just won 2 cl in a row