Antoine Griezmann

[Luftstalag14]

As long as he trains hard and plays hard and is overall a decent human being, why should we care about how he spends his spare time?

Wolfe, in my spare time I watch CJK dramas and movies, build models and collect WWII German stuff, definitely ahead of reading books (I do spend a lot of time reading news and getting worked up by it). Are these hobbies responsible enough?

 

[Givenchy]

only problem i have with the L celebration is he keeps doing the same one.. mix it up abit with a floss here and there

 

[Joan]

only problem i have with the L celebration is he keeps doing the same one.. mix it up abit with a floss here and there

he needs to complete the level first

 

[El Gato]

As long as he trains hard and plays hard and is overall a decent human being, why should we care about how he spends his spare time?

Wolfe, in my spare time I watch CJK dramas and movies, build models and collect WWII German stuff, definitely ahead of reading books (I do spend a lot of time reading news and getting worked up by it). Are these hobbies responsible enough?

We probably shouldn't. Not to the point of acting against whatever he's doing. Why not talk about it though? It is only critique so let's not act like it's dictatorial.

As for the hobby choice, logic would suggest that any person should develop some forms of transferrable skills in their economic, producing age (20-30s) to be a competent human being and provide for their family. If you have a job that gives you one type of skill, let's say a desk job like accounting/IT, then hobbies that would be more useful to you would involve time away from screens and more into outdoors. Which is fine because you learn different things from both. Building something is a skill in itself - you're making things. It's useful.

Now what does a footballer learn besides skills with the ball and intelligence with tactics or strategy? What practical skills does that "job" entail? You can argue that because they are exposed to the public so much, they learn people skills, they get to see negotiation process for sponsorship contracts they get etc. etc... but in reality it only takes a special type of personality to develop that and use it in the future (see Chiellini, Gary Neville, Park Ji Sung). That is where you start seeing those talented players who seem to basically do nothing, but waste their time during and after their career is over. Not quite new Ronaldinhos or Allen Iversons, they are more disciplined in fitness, more competitive and a little more focused on doing their job, but you get the point. Look at Drenthe and Jese for examples of vain individuals who live their life outside football in a similar way. Successful rappers? Not quite, lol.

So what sort of a person do you think Griezmann is and will become once his career is done (apart from being harmless decent chap of course) if the only things you hear and see involving him are Instagram posts, twitter videos, video game parties or hairspray commercials? At 27 Juan Mata was involved in campaigning for Real Oviedo and started setting up charitable movements. On a personal level, Griez doesn't seem like he has anything to offer at all. And actually that does have a bearing to what sort of teammate he is and what sort of personality traits he contributes to the locker room. So as fans arguably you should care about that.

Food for thought.

 

[Luftstalag14]

We probably shouldn't. Not to the point of acting against whatever he's doing. Why not talk about it though? It is only critique so let's not act like it's dictatorial.

As for the hobby choice, logic would suggest that any person should develop some forms of transferrable skills in their economic, producing age (20-30s) to be a competent human being and provide for their family. If you have a job that gives you one type of skill, let's say a desk job like accounting/IT, then hobbies that would be more useful to you would involve time away from screens and more into outdoors. Which is fine because you learn different things from both. Building something is a skill in itself - you're making things. It's useful.

Now what does a footballer learn besides skills with the ball and intelligence with tactics or strategy? What practical skills does that "job" entail? You can argue that because they are exposed to the public so much, they learn people skills, they get to see negotiation process for sponsorship contracts they get etc. etc... but in reality it only takes a special type of personality to develop that and use it in the future (see Chiellini, Gary Neville, Park Ji Sung). That is where you start seeing those talented players who seem to basically do nothing, but waste their time during and after their career is over. Not quite new Ronaldinhos or Allen Iversons, they are more disciplined in fitness, more competitive and a little more focused on doing their job, but you get the point. Look at Drenthe and Jese for examples of vain individuals who live their life outside football in a similar way. Successful rappers? Not quite, lol.

So what sort of a person do you think Griezmann is and will become once his career is done (apart from being harmless decent chap of course) if the only things you hear and see involving him are Instagram posts, twitter videos, video game parties or hairspray commercials? At 27 Juan Mata was involved in campaigning for Real Oviedo and started setting up charitable movements. On a personal level, Griez doesn't seem like he has anything to offer at all. And actually that does have a bearing to what sort of teammate he is and what sort of personality traits he contributes to the locker room. So as fans arguably you should care about that.

Food for thought.

I think I get what you are saying, but there are things that people do that they do not share on social media (do we really know what Griezmann is doing in his spare time other than those stuff he posted?), and there are relatively only a smaller portion of people among us, in any population that are disciplined and visionary, certainly including footballers. Lahm is one of them, he is an entrepreneur investor. There was another German player who developed apps after he retired, I forgot what his name was.

Some of these players will become managers and TV pundits etc., staying in football. Very few will do something else like what Lahm is doing. The majority of them will probably just sit on the money they made and do nothing. It is their choice. I just think we are not in a position to judge and criticize.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

Cannot wait to see Fortnite celebration in Clasico.

 

[serghei]

What the hell is a Fortnite celebration? Sounds like some 2nd rate kitchenware brand.

 

[Nothanks]

Who the hell cares about his celebrations
some of you guys take football way to seriously, these guys after all are playing a GAME in the field

so long as OUR players don't do stupid shit in the field that costs the team no one should care what they do.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

lol at me thinking he meant "losers" when he scored and celebrated like that vs Real

 

[MTL_Barca]

Who the hell cares what kind of person will be after his career? It doesn't matter as long as he does his job good.

It's also very hard to compare a footballers career with the life of "normal" people. The age other people finish university and start their career people like Griezmann already make millions each year by playing football. You are also constantly around other young guys, most 27+ yo people don't hang around 18-21 year old kids all the time but in a football team that's just normal. They also have a unique job, are celebrities from a young age etc it's really hard to compare that to a regular guy.

Griezmann doesn't look like the kind of guy that goes into another field with 40, study, build a business or whatever but who are you to judge that? Let people live their lives as they want, even non footballers don't have to follow the "perfect" path all the time. If Griezmann wants to spend the rest of live at the beach then that's perfectly fine, it's his life.

Reading a book sometimes wouldn't hurt many people but if someone rather plays a game or does something else that's their decision and coming back to football i rather see our players playing fortnite or whatever game than partying all night so as long as they are professional at their job and don't make them/the club look too bad with their other activities that's completely fine.

 

[DonAK]

What the hell is a Fortnite celebration? Sounds like some 2nd rate kitchenware brand.

It's the most popular game in the World right now and for the foreseeable future. Our players seem to be obsessed with it too.

I don't mind his celebrations although he should mix it up. Griezmann likes to have fun playing football instead of being these robots we're used to seeing. I thought people liked that kind of behaviour.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[DonAndres]

Takes absolutely no time or energy to write a few sentences about it. Apparently causes some of you guys anxiety if you feel obliged to reply to something that you deem so insignificant...


[MENTION=12906]DonAndres[/MENTION], man, you used to be so level headed.

Vibrant personalities, lol.

You've admitted Griez's dance is cringe so stick to your gut feeling. If it's cringe, he's acting like a fool, a court jester, a person designed to not be taken seriously. If he's acting like a fool on a regular basis, it becomes something normal. As a result, we get a generation of players and kids acting and looking like complete idiots. It's a failure of education and upbringing, and applies to a whole crop of players you've named. Players who you can tell just by the way they speak and the way they dress, that they never read a book and would grow up to be nobodies if not for their talent to kick a ball.

Comparing Marcelo who's a club captain and is a completely different person, a throwback to Brazil's golden age, the samba days, is a joy to watch. Even Alves to an extent, despite his repulsive instincts on the pitch.

And CR's celeb is probably even dumber, yes. He's had 3-4 of those, one dumber than the other. The last one at least has an element of crowd participation, even if it's something a gorilla in a zoo would do.

There are celebrations of great players which are unique, repeatable without feeling repetitive and are timeless i.e. Drogba, Kaka, Messi, Fenomeno, Di Maria/Bale. Something you'd put in a CL cinematic without thinking twice about it.

You're saying I'm not level-headed and then proceed to viciously attack the 'character' of an entire generation of people and relatable athletes for playing video games??? Jesus Christ lol, this is not a good look for you. People really don't seem to think your comments are "level-headed" at all, if anything just a bitter, angry persecution of those who live a different lifestyle from yourself. To actually believe that people are inferior in character for playing the most popular game in the world, and that athletes who do some funny things or participate in social media represent "a failure in education and upbringing"..... Talk about taking it too far.

Calling him a "man-child", "idiot", a "court-jester" just cause he is a relatively lax guy who doesn't take himself seriously and enjoys his life as an athlete?? You are taking this sport far too seriously. This is an ENTERTAINMENT business, footballers are not here to dress/act plainly like they're in some 9-5 office job with strict behavioral codes. Acting like you can only be commendable if you're like Juan Mata who does nothing to stand out in the public eye and then does some notable charitable work is crazy. Forcing them to walk on a thin tightrope in life just to be seen as "respectable" by guys like you.

The ONLY thing that matters with regards to professionalism is how he carries himself on the pitch and in his duty towards his team. Griezmann is a thorough professional in both those areas. He doesn't dive, hardly ever bitches to refs, never acts in an unsportsmanlike way to competitors, respects his teammates and rivals, and puts out his full effort every single night. By all accounts he is a hard worker in training and one of Simeone's favorite players ever. THAT is the only professionalism he needs to show. Unlike Neymar and Ronaldo who are and historically have been utter cunts to teammates/opponents, dive like fish all over the place with disregard for rules, and blatantly put their own egotistic desires ahead of the team.

I also love how "samba" is an okay form of playful expression in football for you, but only because it has historical presence and is associated with THE original football powerhouse nation. That is truly telling of how you're rigid and stuck in the past. Samba was then as this is now, a product of the fun/entertaining part of Western culture blending into football. And people loved it, people love to have players who play the game with joy and show some personality. People love to see that footballers are relatable to themselves.

This 'commentary' of yours probably extends well beyond football, as an indictment on the entire current generation about what is "correct behavior" and how participation in the trends of today is representative of severe character flaws and failure to grow up. That comment about how we shouldn't even want to attract the "social media/gamer" demographic because they are "socially weak" is one of the most unpleasant things I've seen anyone say in this forum lol. Talk about being condescending and holier than thou, to actually think you are a superior man because you don't play games or use social media.

And also about how "society would be doomed if it were led by people like that" is even more fucking LOL. It's ridiculous for you to even feel the need to draw parallels between how sportsman and "societal leaders" behave. They are athletes, more akin to celebrities like movie stars/singers than government representatives or leaders of industry. There isn't and shouldn't be ANY correlation between how those two groups of people behave, athletes are in the ENTERTAINMENT business as you keep failing to understand. Let alone the idea that society would actually be screwed just because a world leader at 40-50+ years of age happened to use social media and played games as a younger man/woman. Open your mind dude, the ONLY thing you've demonstrated with this rant of yours is intolerance.

 

[gr98]

You're saying I'm not level-headed and then proceed to viciously attack the 'character' of an entire generation of people and relatable athletes for playing video games??? Jesus Christ lol, this is not a good look for you. People really don't seem to think your comments are "level-headed" at all, if anything just a bitter, angry persecution of those who live a different lifestyle from yourself. To actually believe that people are inferior in character for playing the most popular game in the world, and that athletes who do some funny things or participate in social media represent "a failure in education and upbringing"..... Talk about taking it too far.

Calling him a "man-child", "idiot", a "court-jester" just cause he is a relatively lax guy who doesn't take himself seriously and enjoys his life as an athlete?? You are taking this sport far too seriously. This is an ENTERTAINMENT business, footballers are not here to dress/act plainly like they're in some 9-5 office job with strict behavioral codes. Acting like you can only be commendable if you're like Juan Mata who does nothing to stand out in the public eye and then does some notable charitable work is crazy. Forcing them to walk on a thin tightrope in life just to be seen as "respectable" by guys like you.

The ONLY thing that matters with regards to professionalism is how he carries himself on the pitch and in his duty towards his team. Griezmann is a thorough professional in both those areas. He doesn't dive, hardly ever bitches to refs, never acts in an unsportsmanlike way to competitors, respects his teammates and rivals, and puts out his full effort every single night. By all accounts he is a hard worker in training and one of Simeone's favorite players ever. THAT is the only professionalism he needs to show. Unlike Neymar and Ronaldo who are and historically have been utter cunts to teammates/opponents, dive like fish all over the place with disregard for rules, and blatantly put their own egotistic desires ahead of the team.

I also love how "samba" is an okay form of playful expression in football for you, but only because it has historical presence and is associated with THE original football powerhouse nation. That is truly telling of how you're rigid and stuck in the past. Samba was then as this is now, a product of the fun/entertaining part of Western culture blending into football. And people loved it, people love to have players who play the game with joy and show some personality. People love to see that footballers are relatable to themselves.

This 'commentary' of yours probably extends well beyond football, as an indictment on the entire current generation about what is "correct behavior" and how participation in the trends of today is representative of severe character flaws and failure to grow up. That comment about how we shouldn't even want to attract the "social media/gamer" demographic because they are "socially weak" is one of the most unpleasant things I've seen anyone say in this forum lol. Talk about being condescending and holier than thou, to actually think you are a superior man because you don't play games or use social media.

And also about how "society would be doomed if it were led by people like that" is even more fucking LOL. It's ridiculous for you to even feel the need to draw parallels between how sportsman and "societal leaders" behave. They are athletes, more akin to celebrities like movie stars/singers than government representatives or leaders of industry. There isn't and shouldn't be ANY correlation between how those two groups of people behave, athletes are in the ENTERTAINMENT business as you keep failing to understand. Let alone the idea that society would actually be screwed just because a world leader at 40-50+ years of age happened to use social media and played games as a younger man/woman. Open your mind dude, the ONLY thing you've demonstrated with this rant of yours is intolerance.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Givenchy]

Takes absolutely no time or energy to write a few sentences about it. Apparently causes some of you guys anxiety if you feel obliged to reply to something that you deem so insignificant...


[MENTION=12906]DonAndres[/MENTION], man, you used to be so level headed.

Vibrant personalities, lol.

You've admitted Griez's dance is cringe so stick to your gut feeling. If it's cringe, he's acting like a fool, a court jester, a person designed to not be taken seriously. If he's acting like a fool on a regular basis, it becomes something normal. As a result, we get a generation of players and kids acting and looking like complete idiots. It's a failure of education and upbringing, and applies to a whole crop of players you've named. Players who you can tell just by the way they speak and the way they dress, that they never read a book and would grow up to be nobodies if not for their talent to kick a ball.

Comparing Marcelo who's a club captain and is a completely different person, a throwback to Brazil's golden age, the samba days, is a joy to watch. Even Alves to an extent, despite his repulsive instincts on the pitch.

And CR's celeb is probably even dumber, yes. He's had 3-4 of those, one dumber than the other. The last one at least has an element of crowd participation, even if it's something a gorilla in a zoo would do.

There are celebrations of great players which are unique, repeatable without feeling repetitive and are timeless i.e. Drogba, Kaka, Messi, Fenomeno, Di Maria/Bale. Something you'd put in a CL cinematic without thinking twice about it.

this is way deeper than football dude. remember when everyone was doing the Migos dab? alot of black players were posting pictures of their dye'd blue/red/yellow hair dabing and acting like a bunch of rappers on instagram, playing the music in the background. so so cringeworthy.

I kinda like some of these silly celebrations, though they do get old pretty fast. its also great that alot of people/fans play Fortnite, Overwatch etc and players like Griezmann dand Ali doing the floss connects well with those fans

also the bolded part, to each their own but imo those celebrations are pretty boring

 

[DonAK]

Making such a fucking huge deal about a celebration