Antoine Griezmann

[malvolio]

The irony dawg. Btw the bum Griezmann having played more minutes should have worked against him since G+A is getting divided per 90. It is what it is.

same logic could be used in reverse. what if suarez played in the copa and supercopa? what if he wasn't injured for 6 games in the league?

you could say yeah, but that means more minutes. on the other hand he maybe would have scored lots in first rounds of copa against shite teams(that was his bread and butter after all).

 

[messi2140]

same logic could be used in reverse. what if suarez played in the copa and supercopa? what if he wasn't injured for 6 games in the league?

you could say yeah, but that means more minutes. on the other hand he maybe would have scored lots in first rounds of copa against shite teams(that was his bread and butter after all).

What if Griezmann was injured in the games he ended up not scoring ? I mean we can do that if you want.

 

[malvolio]

What if Griezmann was injured in the games he ended up not scoring ? I mean we can do that if you want.

a fair assessment would have been to separately compare the competitions they both played in.

suarez better in the league. griezmann better in the CL.

 

[JamDav1982]

In league Griezmann had 20 goals/assists Suarez had 24.

Not as huge a difference as would have thought and Suarez on pens/FKs and there to do nothing but score in box.

Suarez defensive workrate was as bad as ever..through design though as Atleti know he cant do it, Suarez passing was atrocious again and gave away ball same way did last season at Barca.

They take into account that type of thing and why they will have Griezmann ahead of Suarez for the league.

Depends on how much should be about 'all round' stats and how much just about goals really.

 

[ronniecro]

Why does it matter, it's divided by minutes. Conclusion is that Griezmann provided more often than Suarez did this season.

hardly provided more and it's still terrible output in comparison considering the playing style of barca and atletico

 

[malvolio]

In league Griezmann had 20 goals/assists Suarez had 24.

Not as huge a difference as would have thought and Suarez on pens/FKs and there to do nothing but score in box.

Suarez defensive workrate was as bad as ever..through design though as Atleti know he cant do it, Suarez passing was atrocious again and gave away ball same way did last season at Barca.

They take into account that type of thing and why they will have Griezmann ahead of Suarez for the league.

Depends on how much should be about 'all round' stats and how much just about goals really.

if we go down that route, we will never end debating. griezmann's work rate hardly helps if you look at our conceded goals. it's the same as last year with suarez strolling around.

we can compare the finishing quality, opposition quality, moments in matches and what those goals/assists represented, teammates quality, overall team play as one plays for a defensive team and the other for an attacking one etc etc.

 

[JamDav1982]

if we go down that route, we will never end debating. griezmann's work rate hardly helps if you look at our conceded goals. it's the same as last year with suarez strolling around.

we can compare the finishing quality, opposition quality, moments in matches and what those goals/assists represented, teammates quality, overall team play as one plays for a defensive team and the other for an attacking one etc etc.

It will be never ending argument either way but just pointing out why whoscored probably has Griezmann higher as Suarez all round stats are fairly poor and not hugely ahead on goals/assists.

Finishing quality from open play Griezmann has better goal to chance ratio I think.

Moments in matches vast majority of Griezmanns goals/assists were important in league and across all comps as well.

You can consider that one was a striker that was there to do nothing but score goals in box on pens/FKs and his team mates provided for him on a plate as centre piece of attack also.

Can be twisted any way.

Defensiveness of team matters but so does one player being more or less a poacher in that other team who gets more chances on goal.

 

[mc_lovin]

We can talk about Griezmann's superior stats, defending and sharper allround game (though he definitely sunk us vs PSG 1st leg with his touches for example - tragic performance), but Suarez does a completely different job. If you ask me who I would want in the center it's 100% Suarez. Even if the goals scored are roughly equal.

 

[Andresito]

it matters, as griezmann had more chances to bolster his stats.

At the same time he had more time to fuck up his stats as well.
The more minutes, the closer to reality it is in general.
Easier to score 4 out of 5 pens compared to 40 out of 50, even if the percentages are the same.

They both had enough minutes to accept G/A per 90 as a reasonable comparison here.

hardly provided more and it's still terrible output in comparison considering the playing style of barca and atletico

It's a fact that he provided more often. If he provided more in general or not is up to each indvidual to decide.

 

[malvolio]

At the same time he had more time to fuck up his stats as well.
The more minutes, the closer to reality it is in general.
Easier to score 4 out of 5 pens compared to 40 out of 50, even if the percentages are the same.

They both had enough minutes to accept G/A per 90 as a reasonable comparison here.

if it favors your narrative, of course

otherwise, let's look at the competitions they've both played in:

suarez - G/A every 124 minutes (La Liga + CL)
griezmann - G/A every 142 minutes (La Liga + CL)

as you know already, griezmann has an advantage if you just throw in all the games in a season, regardless of competition.

 

[Andresito]

if it favors your narrative, of course

otherwise, let's look at the competitions they've both played in:

suarez - G/A every 124 minutes (La Liga + CL)
griezmann - G/A every 142 minutes (La Liga + CL)

as you know already, griezmann has an advantage if you just throw in all the games in a season, regardless of competition.

I don't have a narrative. The fact is that Griezmann has provided more often the times he's played this season.

You can compare like that if you want to, but then you also neglect some good performances from Griezmann.
It doesn't make any sense to overlook some of his minutes. If only Liga and CL matters, fine. But we played against some tough teams in both Copa and Supercopa with Griezmann being good in both competitions.

 

[malvolio]

I don't have a narrative. The fact is that Griezmann has provided more often the times he's played this season.

You can compare like that if you want to, but then you also neglect some good performances from Griezmann.
It doesn't make any sense to overlook some of his minutes. If only Liga and CL matters, fine. But we played against some tough teams in both Copa and Supercopa with Griezmann being good in both competitions.

i don't neglect anything as i wasn't the one to come up with this shitty argument about G/A per minutes in all season/all comps. the fact is you missed the friendlies, world cup qualifiers and nations league games in which griezmann played in but suarez didn't.

not only liga and CL matter, but it would be fair to compare the competitions in which both played in. can't score in copa if you don't play in it.

i already stated that suarez was better in la liga and griezmann better in CL. because that was obvious as both played in those comps.

 

[SmilerBam]

Why does it matter, it's divided by minutes. Conclusion is that Griezmann provided more often than Suarez did this season.

Lay off the marijuana man, it makes you see things that are not real.

 

[te amo barca]

Lay off the marijuana man, it makes you see things that are not real.

Lay off the shrooms mate.

 

[Andresito]

not only liga and CL matter, but it would be fair to compare the competitions in which both played in. can't score in copa if you don't play in it.

Apparently can't score in CL despite playing either.