Argentina

[soul24rage]

Italy curbs citizenship rules to end tenuous descendant claims

ROME - Italy's government tightened its citizenship laws on Friday, preventing people from delving deep back into their family history to try to claim a much sought-after Italian passport. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

This is going to affect a lot of Argentinian players moving to Europe. Would likely through out any chance of moving there before 18, and will make them compete for non-EU places

I saw that news as well and I agree.

This will make things a lot more difficult for Argentines to make a name in Europe.

 

[Maradona37]

Italy curbs citizenship rules to end tenuous descendant claims

ROME - Italy's government tightened its citizenship laws on Friday, preventing people from delving deep back into their family history to try to claim a much sought-after Italian passport. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

This is going to affect a lot of Argentinian players moving to Europe. Would likely through out any chance of moving there before 18, and will make them compete for non-EU places

I know Argentines are generally descended a lot more from Italians than Spaniards, but as the Latin European nations are where most Argentine players land when they come to Europe, I wonder if this means Spain and Portugal clubs will now take the players that would have arrived in Italy. It might not work that way but you'd imagine if - for example - Napoli can't sign a certain Argentine, maybe Sevilla will.

But then I don't know if Spain and Portugal might follow Italy's lead.

 

[khaled_a_d]

I know Argentines are generally descended a lot more from Italians than Spaniards, but as the Latin European nations are where most Argentine players land when they come to Europe, I wonder if this means Spain and Portugal clubs will now take the players that would have arrived in Italy. It might not work that way but you'd imagine if - for example - Napoli can't sign a certain Argentine, maybe Sevilla will.

But then I don't know if Spain and Portugal might follow Italy's lead.

Spain has more strict rule for those who didn't arrive in their countries. But as Latin American you get citizenship fast track if you move legally to Spain, you can apply in 2 years, typically you get it in 3 years. Other Nationals will need around a decade to get citizenship iirc

Italy was giving it for descendants of Italian origins, all you need to prove you had an Italian grandparent in the past 2 centuries. Raphinha for example is Italian citizen. He isn't counted as non-EU player.

This will affect Spain and Portugal as much, because most Argentinian prospects (including Messi btw) got Italian passport early on and it helped them to either move to Europe Early, or to not be counted as foreign player in whatever league they played in.

 

[Maradona37]

Spain has more strict rule for those who didn't arrive in their countries. But as Latin American you get citizenship fast track if you move legally to Spain, you can apply in 2 years, typically you get it in 3 years. Other Nationals will need around a decade to get citizenship iirc

Italy was giving it for descendants of Italian origins, all you need to prove you had an Italian grandparent in the past 2 centuries. Raphinha for example is Italian citizen. He isn't counted as non-EU player.

This will affect Spain and Portugal as much, because most Argentinian prospects (including Messi btw) got Italian passport early on and it helped them to either move to Europe Early, or to not be counted as foreign player in whatever league they played in.

Yeah that makes sense when I think about it more closely. Thanks for the info.

 

[L3v1s]

Italy curbs citizenship rules to end tenuous descendant claims

ROME - Italy's government tightened its citizenship laws on Friday, preventing people from delving deep back into their family history to try to claim a much sought-after Italian passport. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

This is going to affect a lot of Argentinian players moving to Europe. Would likely through out any chance of moving there before 18, and will make them compete for non-EU places

This will also be bad for Serie A/La Liga clubs...

@soul24rage Any chance Nico Paz gets a role next summer? Looks very impressive from what i've watched at Como. He seems to resemble Javier Pastore who also started quite promising, they're similar height too.

 

[soul24rage]

This will also be bad for Serie A/La Liga clubs...

@soul24rage Any chance Nico Paz gets a role next summer? Looks very impressive from what i've watched at Como. He seems to resemble Javier Pastore who also started quite promising, they're similar height too.

For Paz, it depends on the following for me

- Whether RM buys him this summer and that might reduce his play time
- If the squad size for the WC is 26 or 28 (I'd say 28 due to the extra game in the WC)
- Injuries to other players.

For now, these are the 28 players that I think might be there. (Players in blue are the ones who are not guaranteed imo due to factors such as form, versatility, age or if the squad size is 26 or 28. For Lisandro mostly due to his ACL injury)

GK: Dibu, Rulli, Benitez

RB: Molina, Montiel, Foyth
CB: Romero, Balerdi, Otamendi, Lisandro
LB: Tagliafico, Medina

RCM: RDP, Palacios
DM: Enzo, Paredes, Perrone
LCM: MacA, Lo Celso

RW: Simeone
CAM: Messi, Dybala, Paz
CF: Alvarez, Lautaro, Castellanos
LW: Nico G., Almada

He does have competition in his place such as Nico Dominguez and Echeverri and other talent can emerge in the year but Paz is the favorite as of right now.

 

[KingLeo10]

Only thing that can stop Argentina in World Cup 26 is those turn fields these clowns will put out


EDIT: Oh, looks like FIFA mandates natural grass. It's over, folks. We're doing Copa - Finalissima - World Cup - Copa - Finalissima - World Cup in a row. I'm tired of winning so much Robbie!!

 

[TheStig]

Spain has more strict rule for those who didn't arrive in their countries. But as Latin American you get citizenship fast track if you move legally to Spain, you can apply in 2 years, typically you get it in 3 years. Other Nationals will need around a decade to get citizenship iirc

Italy was giving it for descendants of Italian origins, all you need to prove you had an Italian grandparent in the past 2 centuries. Raphinha for example is Italian citizen. He isn't counted as non-EU player.

This will affect Spain and Portugal as much, because most Argentinian prospects (including Messi btw) got Italian passport early on and it helped them to either move to Europe Early, or to not be counted as foreign player in whatever league they played in.

I don't think Messi ever had an Italian passport. He probably could but I think he only has Argentinian and Spanish passports.

 

[soul24rage]

Only thing that can stop Argentina in World Cup 26 is those turn fields these clowns will put out


EDIT: Oh, looks like FIFA mandates natural grass. It's over, folks. We're doing Copa - Finalissima - World Cup - Copa - Finalissima - World Cup in a row. I'm tired of winning so much Robbie!!

We're feasting on this dawg

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1747001941517836289

 

[L3v1s]

For Paz, it depends on the following for me

- Whether RM buys him this summer and that might reduce his play time
- If the squad size for the WC is 26 or 28 (I'd say 28 due to the extra game in the WC)
- Injuries to other players.

For now, these are the 28 players that I think might be there. (Players in blue are the ones who are not guaranteed imo due to factors such as form, versatility, age or if the squad size is 26 or 28. For Lisandro mostly due to his ACL injury)

GK: Dibu, Rulli, Benitez

RB: Molina, Montiel, Foyth
CB: Romero, Balerdi, Otamendi, Lisandro
LB: Tagliafico, Medina

RCM: RDP, Palacios
DM: Enzo, Paredes, Perrone
LCM: MacA, Lo Celso

RW: Simeone
CAM: Messi, Dybala, Paz
CF: Alvarez, Lautaro, Castellanos
LW: Nico G., Almada

He does have competition in his place such as Nico Dominguez and Echeverri and other talent can emerge in the year but Paz is the favorite as of right now.

So it seems that the old core will be there if no injuries. Argentina have the most homogeneous squad by far. Lisandro is a huge blow in defence. What about Varela from Porto? They are stacked in CDM/Holding Midfield position nonetheless. With this setup, they seem perfect for a diamond formation, probably a 4-4-2 hybrid.

I made this post some time ago https://www.barcaforum.com/threads/argentina.9844/post-2749254 and it looks like most of the young prospects arent yet built for the national team.

 

[soul24rage]

So it seems that the old core will be there if no injuries. Argentina have the most homogeneous squad by far. Lisandro is a huge blow in defence. What about Varela from Porto? They are stacked in CDM/Holding Midfield position nonetheless. With this setup, they seem perfect for a diamond formation, probably a 4-4-2 hybrid.

I made this post some time ago https://www.barcaforum.com/threads/argentina.9844/post-2749254 and it looks like most of the young prospects arent yet built for the national team.

Lisandro out is a big blow, but he should be back before the end of the year. Fortunately, he's been at the squad for a long time that it's not like he will be starting from scratch of learning the coach's tactics, chemistry with players and etc.

I think Varela should have been called up in the previous international windows, like Senesi. If Porto wasn't in the Club World Cup, Scaloni would probably have called him up in the June window. With the CDM position being stacked, Varela's best chance would be to go to a big club like Liverpool and ball to stand out. Time is running out for him.

Knowing Scaloni and considering how 'young' the current squad is, I don't think much change is needed to prep for the WC26 as the core is already well established and it's mainly cleaning up the squad depth to which he is doing with Giu Simeone, Almada, Balerdi and etc. Most of the young prospects will probably happen after the WC26.

 

[Maradona37]

For Paz, it depends on the following for me

- Whether RM buys him this summer and that might reduce his play time
- If the squad size for the WC is 26 or 28 (I'd say 28 due to the extra game in the WC)
- Injuries to other players.

For now, these are the 28 players that I think might be there. (Players in blue are the ones who are not guaranteed imo due to factors such as form, versatility, age or if the squad size is 26 or 28. For Lisandro mostly due to his ACL injury)

GK: Dibu, Rulli, Benitez

RB: Molina, Montiel, Foyth
CB: Romero, Balerdi, Otamendi, Lisandro
LB: Tagliafico, Medina

RCM: RDP, Palacios
DM: Enzo, Paredes, Perrone
LCM: MacA, Lo Celso

RW: Simeone
CAM: Messi, Dybala, Paz
CF: Alvarez, Lautaro, Castellanos
LW: Nico G., Almada

He does have competition in his place such as Nico Dominguez and Echeverri and other talent can emerge in the year but Paz is the favorite as of right now.

There doesn't seem to be much change from the previous World Cup - lots of players are young and now coming into their prime, or are 30 at most.

I see you didn't mention Garnacho. I am glad. I know you like him but I really don't rate him (might be anti Man United bias), and think Argentina should really have better options than him, even as a sub.

By the way, 28 is way too big a squad for me, even with 8 games. I don't think that coaches want that many players. 26 was really because of COVID and coaches even said that was too many at times. I know there are a lot more games in general now but 28 players is too much.

 

[Horatio]

We're feasting on this dawg

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1747001941517836289

messi since winning copa 2021*

 

[L3v1s]

There doesn't seem to be much change from the previous World Cup - lots of players are young and now coming into their prime, or are 30 at most.

I see you didn't mention Garnacho. I am glad. I know you like him but I really don't rate him (might be anti Man United bias), and think Argentina should really have better options than him, even as a sub.

By the way, 28 is way too big a squad for me, even with 8 games. I don't think that coaches want that many players. 26 was really because of COVID and coaches even said that was too many at times. I know there are a lot more games in general now but 28 players is too much.

I also forgot about Garnacho, multiple times. Crazy that he's only 20 years old still. United is probaly stalling his career, but he still has time for a change of heart. If it works for Antony, it could also work for him.

 

[Maradona37]

I also forgot about Garnacho, multiple times. Crazy that he's only 20 years old still. United is probaly stalling his career, but he still has time for a change of heart. If it works for Antony, it could also work for him.

True, though I have a feeling Antony is just experiencing a moment of good form, a Honeymoon period away from United.

It's hard to say how much is United being a terrible place to play football, and how much is the players themselves being overrated. But in Garnacho's case I feel he has A LOT to work on to be a top player. He's not great technically, his pace is good but not amazing, and his finishing and dribbling can be horrible. Selfish too.

In his defence it's a good sign he gets into so many good positions while still a young player. He seems like he could scratch out stats in future, but I'd be amazed if he's ever a player who can play for a title or CL contender, even as a squad player.

I could be wrong, though. Time will tell either way man.