Barca Transfers and Rumors

[FCBfan22]

Arnaiz apparently has a 20 million buyout clause which Chelsea and Arsenal are supposedly considering

Everton also. But Arnaiz himself stated that he is going nowhere.

 

[MessiCam]

Lol. I m not Croatian, but i do find their midfield one of the strongest on the planet. It s funny you mentioning Raki, he being the part of that strong MF. Educate yourself.

The weakest part of their team is usually the coach. Don t know why.

What makes their midfield one of the strongest in the planet? The only world class player in there is Modric.

 

[BBZ8800]

We obviously have to get rid of a lot of the players who are not good enough. And we are in the process of doing that. If you dont know anything about a player except his age, how can you dismiss the player and claim he needs to be 25 or 26 before he's good enough for us? Verratti joined PSG at 20, Mbappe at 18, Gabriel Jesus at 19 and Sane at 20 for City, you cant just dismiss all players as not good enough without knowing the quality of the player.

You have a problem, because for you, every young player with a potential is a chance worth a gamble, more or less.

But anyway, let's say that you are Barto and Ernesto in one person, and that you 100M to spend on young players, please tell me:
1. which current midfielders would you keep as starters?
2. which current midfielders would you keep as squad players?
3. which current midfielders would you sell?
4. which 1-2-3-4 midfielders would you buy and how would you integrate them in a team next season? In terms: would you keep them as starters or squad players? Which matches would they play in?
Also, take care: what if have a bad start and have -5 points deficit behind RM in November? Would you keep on playing Alena and Frenkie De Jong while trying to catch Real (imagine if you are a coach), even if that means losing your job?
Also, whomever will you keep as starters, imagine that we'll have 1 or 2 huge injuries to starting midfielders (imagine Coutinho out for 6 Months, and let's say Busi or Rakitic out for 4 Months).
If you sell too many squad players like Gomes/Rafinha, then in case of injuries, you are forced to play with Alena, De Jong and similar as starters or as the 1st choice subs in key CL matches.

And then imagine if you ruin a season for Messi/Luis/Dembele and others because you ahd to play Frenkie De Jong against Bayern in CL semis.
And you sold Rafinha/Gomes/Rakitic at the beginning of a season, well, because you need to develop Frenkie De Jong, lol.

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION]

Why do you always bring national teams into discussions? Rakitic and Arda play for crap national teams where just about any of Alena, Arnaiz, De Jong and Aouar walk into with their eyes closed. It means nothing as far as Barcelona are concerned.

If your argument were the case then Barcelona should be signing any player that plays for a national team and expect them to be superstars.

Also, Rafinha, Gomes and Arda will soon be out in any event. It's all over the news...

Yeah, wonderkid Arnaiz would walk into a Croatian NT team.
2-3 years ago, while people here still believed that Halilovic is a god and the next Messi, he wasn't even called in a Croatian NT.

So, take a few deep breaths:
Next Messi Halilovic wasn't called for Croatia.
And you think that Arnaiz would get a call, lol?
Maybe Rakitic's NT isn't that abd, and maybe Rakitic isn't such a bad player.
Especially compared to Frenkie De Jong and Aouar with 40 senior matches together combined.
But hey, let's sell everyone and go all in with every single youngster in the world.

And rename this topic to: Arsene Wenger, "We don't care about right now. The future and what ifs are more important than present. The next season will be better. Bright future is infront of us"
And then repeat the same logo after each failed season...

Barto and his ideas sound like a mastermind compared to some romantic ideas from our fans.

 

[Barcaman]

Yes. They have maybe 3 players of note... Modric, Perisic and Mandzukic. The rest are garbage.

Crap, garbage?
If Croatia is crap (team actually from the top section of FIFA rankings), what do you call Uganda or United Arab Emirates that are in the middle or San Marino and Bahamas that are in bottom section?

You don't know shit about football if you throw crap and garbage that lightly.

 

[BBZ8800]

What makes their midfield one of the strongest in the planet? The only world class player in there is Modric.

Lel.
Modric, the best midfielder in the world, according to some.
Rakitic, one the best midfielders 3 years ago, according to a lot of people.
Kovacic, quite a decent midfielder, right?

From other midfielders, Badelj from Seria A, Pjaca from Juve, Brozovic from Inter.

Let's make a bet: if Arnaiz will ever reach a level of Badelj or Brozovic, I'll do whatever you want.

You people are crazy.
You think that every single kid is the next big thing.

Let's wait until Arnaiz will play a full season as a starter in any midtable La liga first.
I am not sure that it will ever happen though.

I am sorry that I have to shit on some of our players now (Arnaiz) because you are shitting on Rakitic, Arda and their NTs, lol.
Poor Arnaiz. If he weren't born in Spain, he would have been a captain already of Russia, Ukraine, Poland, right?

Come on, man.

 

[CatalinR10]

Let's make a bet: if Arnaiz will ever reach a level of Badelj or Brozovic, I'll do whatever you want.

 

[Ousmane Dembélé]

I don't think you'd want whatever I think you may be wanting, trust me, I speak from experience.

 

[Judoman]

What makes their midfield one of the strongest in the planet? The only world class player in there is Modric.

If you say so friend. 2 players of Real Madrid, 1 player of Barca and 1 Player of Inter Milan. If that is weak for you, than you have very expensive taste.

 

[Jombi]

You have a problem, because for you, every young player with a potential is a chance worth a gamble, more or less.

No, just because a person rates any player younger than 25, does not mean a person rates all players younger than 25.

Lets get back to reality. And the reality is that you constantly dismiss every single player younger than 25, regardless of knowing anything about the player. Why do you do that? It doesnt make sense. Why not judge players individually? Instead of always judging based on age and bringing up that tired old Halilovic?

If we assume that the core of our midfield next season is Busquets, Iniesta, Raki and Paulinho, all players who will have passed 30 when the season starts, how does it not make sense to ensure they have challengers that can succeed them? Do you think Arda, Gomes, Denis and Rafinha are good enough? Alena? He's getting zero minutes at 20 years old. Thats typical of someone who is likely to be loaned out, not a new Iniesta or Thiago.

 

[MessiCam]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION]

Nobody is saying sign just youngsters and yes, any of those players walk into a team that Kovacic, Rog and Vlasic can play for.

Where ever did you get the idea that only youngsters should be signed?

 

[Devils]

Rakitic, at times, is questionable whether he is Barca starter quality or not. But let's not ignore that he would walk into 99% of the teams in on this planet.

Just because it is questionable whether he is starter quality for the 1% elite is not a insult to his quality.

He's not a 'crap' player by any measure and certainly way above all those youngsters mentioned.

 

[MessiCam]

Crap, garbage?
If Croatia is crap (team actually from the top section of FIFA rankings), what do you call Uganda or United Arab Emirates that are in the middle or San Marino and Bahamas that are in bottom section?

You don't know shit about football if you throw crap and garbage that lightly.

Some perspective dear sir. BBZ Is harping on about players for national teams... So then let’s have Barça raid these Croatia’s (ranked 17th) and Turkey’s (ranked 42) for their national team players and see where we end up.

Dembélé is also part of probably the best national team on paper at the moment but BBZ still rags on him... Why? Because he is young.

And yes, Croatia have a crap squad when compared to world class national teams.

 

[MessiCam]

Rakitic, at times, is questionable whether he is Barca starter quality or not. But let's not ignore that he would walk into 99% of the teams in on this planet.

Just because it is questionable whether he is starter quality for the 1% elite is not a insult to his quality.

He's not a 'crap' player by any measure and certainly way above all those youngsters mentioned.

I’d much rather develop an Arthur, Auoar, Alena than play Rakitic week in week out.

His recent performances have been good but it shouldn’t distract from the crap he put out since the treble season.

Name me one top club that has shown interest in Rakitic...

 

[Barcaman]

Compared to Messi Dembele is garbage.
You must have a great time chatting with other kids in kindergarten.

Will know next time not to reply to trolling.

 

[BBZ8800]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION]

Nobody is saying sign just youngsters and yes, any of those players walk into a team that Kovacic, Rog and Vlasic can play for.

Where ever did you get the idea that only youngsters should be signed?

Vlasic is not a player.
He is a kind of a player whom this forum would hype if he played in a Bteam.
That guy will never play in any club.

Rog also won't be a successful footballer.

Kovacic on the other hand, plays for RM.

You have to distinguish players who haven't achieved more or less anything and who are just hyped, either from Barcaforum, Croatian fans, managers who are trying to sell them etc and players who are actually good players and who have done a lot in their careers.

Jombi, I'll try to explain it with my estimations in numbers. These are not a fact, but just a way to explain it.

No, just because a person rates any player younger than 25, does not mean a person rates all players younger than 25.

Lets get back to reality. And the reality is that you constantly dismiss every single player younger than 25, regardless of knowing anything about the player. Why do you do that? It doesnt make sense. Why not judge players individually? Instead of always judging based on age and bringing up that tired old Halilovic?

If we assume that the core of our midfield next season is Busquets, Iniesta, Raki and Paulinho, all players who will have passed 30 when the season starts, how does it not make sense to ensure they have challengers that can succeed them? Do you think Arda, Gomes, Denis and Rafinha are good enough? Alena? He's getting zero minutes at 20 years old. Thats typical of someone who is likely to be loaned out, not a new Iniesta or Thiago.

What if our coaches and staff decided that Alena is the next Rafinha/JDS and similar, and not the next Thiago and this is why they have given up on him lately?
The same as with Samper. He was supposed to be the next big thing, but he just never reached needed levels. NOT because we didn't play him but just because he never developed into a player whom we expected.

About young players, this is just my estimation:
1. you have players with 0-1 senior seasons, like Frenkie, Aouar etc.
Their price is usually lower.
But also, a chance for them to make it at a big club is let's say 1-5%. Or 10% at max.
So, you need to buy 10 Frenkies with 15 matches for Ajax, to get 1 Rafinha/Gomes in 5 years.
Other 9 Frenkies will fail, lose years of development and end in 2nd, 3rd Spanish league or in 1st and 2nd Polish, Izraeli and similar leagues.
Those are NOT a type of players whom we should be buying, because the risk and return % is just way too small.

2. then you have players who played 2-3 seasons from the age 18, who are now aged 21-22.
They are not one season wonders and they have some European experience.
Their price is usually higher, like 20-30M.
But their chances for a success are higher.
But not THAT much higher.
Let's say that their chances to make it at Barca are 1-10& or max up to 15%.
Let's say that you don't need 10 players like Frenkie, to get one playable guy, but you need 5-6 guys like this and one may turn into a usable player.

3. then you have guys who have set the world on fire with their performances, like Ronaldinho pre Barca, Etoo pre Barca.
Well, their price will be 80-100M or even more.
But a chance for success is 30% or 50%.

Anyway, since I am always telling you: write down 10-20 names from this season (promising youngsters) and we'll see where they'll be in a few years.
But that will take too long.

So, we can look back to the past, a few years ago, and see where are now some promising youngsters from back then.
For example, this page looked back a few years later to 25 most exciting young players from 2007 (who were teenagers back then) and checked how they have developed.
There are some guys, of course, who turned into famous footballers. But almost 20 out 25 guys from these list are today: who? who is that guy? what happened with later, he looked so promising aged 19...
https://longballfootball.wordpress.com/2014/01/22/where-are-they-now-11-world-soccers-most-exciting-teen-footballers-2007-1-25/

Or, list of most promising footballers on Football manager in 2010:
http://www.truefootballmanager.com/2009/10/football-manager-2010-wonderkids-and.html

My point: today it seems that Goretzka, Arthur, Frenkie De Jong, Aouar, Alena, Arnaiz are real deals.
In reality, in 7-8 years, one out of them will play for a top team, and other 5 guys will play in Villareal, Espanyol or in Israeli/Ukraine 1st division.

It has always been like that and it will always be.
If a player's chance for a success is 1/6 or 1/10 and if Barca doesn't have time to develop these kids, then it is not a good deal for Barca to buy those kind of kids.
Their success rate is extremely small and we can't give them more than 5-10 matches per season, which won't be enough for their development.