Basketball/NBA

[Sea_of_Frost]

And Cavs going for a coaching change halfway through the season.

Tough for Blatt, he was brought in for a rebuild, and was instead given a super-team to get a ring.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

This is all on LeBron. He has too much power in Cleveland and there is no one in the whole franchise who says anything against him. He is the reason they traded Wiggins + picks for Love because he wants his rings so bad. In the end it was a horrible deal. He is also the reason his buddies Thompson and Varejao got huge contracts.
James basically runs shit in Cleveland.

 

[khaled_a_d]

I don't think Wiggins for Love was a bad deal at all .actually thinks it is good for the Cavs
Noway Wiggins would have developed their with Lebron in town .

 

[Richard.H]

This is all on LeBron. He has too much power in Cleveland and there is no one in the whole franchise who says anything against him. He is the reason they traded Wiggins + picks for Love because he wants his rings so bad. In the end it was a horrible deal. He is also the reason his buddies Thompson and Varejao got huge contracts.
James basically runs shit in Cleveland.

With all due respect, he has all the right to run a shitty city and franchise like Cleveland. We are talking about one of the worst sports cities in the U.S. and one of the worst cities in the U.S. in general. They know that without Lebron, their franchise won't mean squat, just like how it was when Lebron was in Miami.


Also, a lot of top players have control over their franchises. It's nothing out of the ordinary in the NBA.




A video for reference

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

With all due respect, he has all the right to run a shitty city and franchise like Cleveland. We are talking about one of the worst sports cities in the U.S. and one of the worst cities in the U.S. in general. They know that without Lebron, their franchise won't mean squat, just like how it was when Lebron was in Miami.


Also, a lot of top players have control over their franchises. It's nothing out of the ordinary in the NBA.

US sports franchises are worth up to Billions of dollars. Usually it would be an absolutely impossible scenario that a player could become the most powerful person of a franchise. That was and is certainly not the case in Miami where Pat Riley runs shit. Someone who would get rid of a player (no matter if LeBron or not) in the blink of an eye if that player would try to decide who should be coaching, how the team should be playing etc.
I know that Cleveland is considered an ugly city and I know the history of Cleveland based teams in US sports that have been waiting for a championship since decades but it is wrong to suck a player's dick and follow his orders just because he is the league's best player.

All LeBron wants are rings and he wants them asap. That is why he asked for short term trades because he could not wait for a guy like Wiggins to develop alongside him. In general there is no problem when a franchise agrees on that and wants to accompany such a player in his prime with other stars to win their ring but all the other stuff goes way too far. The coach should be the boss on the court not a player who will not struggle to leave his beloved city if he realizes he will not be able to get the city a championship title. LeBron disrespected Blatt in public during games, players told stories about how James was ignoring him and only talking to (former assistant and now head) coach Tyronn Lue and how Blatt did not dare to point out LeBron's mistakes when analyzing videos and stuff like that.

If you really think shit should be run like that or even assume this is the norm with some franchises, then you are simply wrong.

 

[khaled_a_d]

US sports franchises are worth up to Billions of dollars. Usually it would be an absolutely impossible scenario that a player could become the most powerful person of a franchise. That was and is certainly not the case in Miami where Pat Riley runs shit. Someone who would get rid of a player (no matter if LeBron or not) in the blink of an eye if that player would try to decide who should be coaching, how the team should be playing etc.
I know that Cleveland is considered an ugly city and I know the history of Cleveland based teams in US sports that have been waiting for a championship since decades but it is wrong to suck a player's dick and follow his orders just because he is the league's best player.

All LeBron wants are rings and he wants them asap. That is why he asked for short term trades because he could not wait for a guy like Wiggins to develop alongside him. In general there is no problem when a franchise agrees on that and wants to accompany such a player in his prime with other stars to win their ring but all the other stuff goes way too far. The coach should be the boss on the court not a player who will not struggle to leave his beloved city if he realizes he will not be able to get the city a championship title. LeBron disrespected Blatt in public during games, players told stories about how James was ignoring him and only talking to (former assistant and now head) coach Tyronn Lue and how Blatt did not dare to point out LeBron's mistakes when analyzing videos and stuff like that.

If you really think shit should be run like that or even assume this is the norm with some franchises, then you are simply wrong.

I agree with your point about his relationship with the coach ,although most rumors he isn't getting the coach he wants (Mark Jackson) .but the whole forcing Wiggins to be traded is something I don't really agree
Wiggins is gr8 talent ,but he isn't a "for sure future HOF" type of talent .even during college there was a lot of question marks and if it wasn't for Embid's injury he could have ended 2nd or 3rd in the draft (many also thought many teams rated Jabari over him)
Add to that the fact he would never get the playing time or the concentration for his own development in a Cavs with Lebron & Irving .there was no way he would have developed the way he is doing right now .and no way he would have developed fast enough to help the team in a way a player in his prime like Love would
That deal made sense for everyone .there was no loser in it .heck once Lebron announced he is coming back to the Cavs everyone thought that it would be the best for everyone that Wiggins get traded to the Wolves with Love to the Cavs
Also a lot of franchises would consult their superstars to many of the moves they make .even the Mavs many times say they take Dirk opinion despite the fact the guy just want to play .

 

[Richard.H]

All LeBron wants are rings and he wants them asap. That is why he asked for short term trades because he could not wait for a guy like Wiggins to develop alongside him. In general there is no problem when a franchise agrees on that and wants to accompany such a player in his prime with other stars to win their ring but all the other stuff goes way too far. The coach should be the boss on the court not a player who will not struggle to leave his beloved city if he realizes he will not be able to get the city a championship title. LeBron disrespected Blatt in public during games, players told stories about how James was ignoring him and only talking to (former assistant and now head) coach Tyronn Lue and how Blatt did not dare to point out LeBron's mistakes when analyzing videos and stuff like that.

If you really think shit should be run like that or even assume this is the norm with some franchises, then you are simply wrong.

Lebron has treated all of his coaches the same way, Blatt is no exception. That's just the way he is, it's his personality. No org is going to change that. He shouldered Spoelstra hard during the 12-13 season I believe, and there is evidence of him outright bullying Mike Brown during his first stint in Cleveland.


There are some very well run organizations in the NBA. Spurs and Warriors come to mind, two teams where no player gets special treatment. I do believe an org runs better when the star player(s) get no special treatment.


I can come up with multiple orgs however, that give their stars a lot of power: Lakers (Kobe), Clippers (Paul), Hornets (Kemba Walker), Knicks (Carmelo), Rockets (Harden).



Wiggins is a huge risk for any franchise. I'm sure a lot of NBA franchises would give up Wiggins in order to bring in Lebron. One can definitely at least get your team to the conference finals, another is a very raw product with no proven record. Also keep in mind the Cleveland organization realizes that Lebron is possibly the best NBA player they will ever have in their franchise. Cleveland will never be able to attract any other big name player to its team. It's not an org that is run well and no millionaire superstar would want to live in that city.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

Power to Kemba Walker? Sorry that I pointed only him out but that is ridiculous.
Anyway, all of them have no word when it is about business. The owners decide about the cap and the contracts and if they decide not to pay for someone, they will not do it. No matter what those guys you mentioned want. In Cleveland LeBron's buddies get their big contracts to make him happy.

LeBron is the player in the league who has the highest Basketball IQ and understanding of the game so it is not a bad thing if he shares his thoughts with the coach and influences the team but no other player in the league would dare to put himself above the whole franchise. There are plenty who have problems with their coaches which is the case with thousands of athletes in all kinds of sports but there is a difference between those usual cases and a player who has so much power that he can basically pick the coach for himself and his team.

Considering Wiggins: I said that it is okay they made the decision to trade the future for today's stars to accompany James. But Love turns out to be the wrong guy and they should have known better about his skills and what he brings to the table. Turns out their "Big 3" is totally unbalanced and they have absolutely no chance against healthy Warriors or Spurs.
I know it is easy to say that now but it is almost impossible to force a championship.
There were to recent cases where forming a super team ended up with a championship: The Big 3 in Boston which would have never won a ring without Rondo turning it into a Big 4, a huge surprise for everyone and of course the super friends in Miami who were bragging about not losing any games at all but realized that they did not have enough pieces in their first season only to get saved by Ray Allen's miracle three pointer in their second finals.

Long story short: No matter the city or franchise history it is stupid and not healthy for the whole franchise to let a single player run the whole shit.

 

[Richard.H]

Kemba is a key franchise player for Charlotte and Michael Jordan (owner of Charlotte) has stated that multiple times.

Kobe is Kobe, I don't need to mention just how much of a spoiled player he is, not to mention I live in this city and read the local papers weekly.

CP3 single-handedly caused the coaching change in Clippers. He threatened to leave the team if they didn't change the coach.

Harden literally runs shit in Houston. All the ads in Houston include the beard (fear the beard, etc.). Houston almost traded Dwight for complaining just how much Harden has power over the plays that the Rockets run on offense.

The only one I may take back is Carmelo. Early on, Knicks accommodated to Carmelo as much as they could, but with Phil Jackson and Fisher, they are changing the whole franchise and putting the focus on making a more well-rounded team instead of Carmelo ball.

 

[Richard.H]

Yes, none of them have as much power as Lebron, but it's Cleveland. It's not Miami where it's big 3, it's Cleveland where Lebron is really their only main star. Love has been a huge disappointment (we are talking about a player who got a quadruple double) and Kyrie Irving is still a bit rusty from his long injury.

Not much has gone the way the Cleveland org has wanted. They are desperate for big changes and they are far behind from teams like Warriors and Spurs.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

I do not know where you want to take the discussion. My opinion has not changed, LeBron has too much power in Cleveland.
Kevin Love never got a Quadruple-double in his life. Do not know where you got that from.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

Griffin broke his hand fighting with a staff member. Idiot.

 

[barcafan161]

Out 4-6 weeks

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

Splashius Klay wins the 3 point contest with 27 points. Beats Booker and Curry in the final. Curry won last year and also had 27.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

Zach LaVine time now.