Borussia Dortmund

DrPepper

New member
Their way of scoring goals was counterpressing to win the ball in the middle of pitch and then quickly counter attacking. German teams at the moment know this and try to avoid losing the ball in the middle entirely. If they're under pressure it's instantly a long ball forward. They're not letting Dortmund press in higher areas which is their strongest asset normally.

Also doesn't help that Dortmund concede so many freak goals, like both goals today. A clearance that is a perfect through ball and miscommunication between Ginter and Weidenfeller. Nearly as stupid as Kramer's own goal really.

They would still win most games if they were a bit more efficient in converting their chances because they always create some. But with confidence levels pretty much down it's quite hard.
 

hamad138

Banned
Are you sure you're watching their games? Today they had 55% possession and 17 shots (Frankfurt had 11). Hardly dominating now is it?

Frankfurt had 5 long shots and possesion is not domination.

Bayern 37% Possesion vs barcelona 63% Possesion still bayern dominated the gamr against barcelona and won 4:0
 

Alarcón

New member
Frankfurt had 5 long shots and possesion is not domination.

Bayern 37% Possesion vs barcelona 63% Possesion still bayern dominated the gamr against barcelona and won 4:0

Frankfurt had much better chances than Dortmund. Meier alone should have scored a hattrick. If you don't see that, fine.
 

ccesc

New member
The last time the defence with Schmelzer-Hummels-Subotic-Piszczek played, was in the Champions League Final in May 2013.
Dortmund conceded 22 goals in 2011. This season it is already 21 goals in 13 games.
This season they lost 8 games of 13. More than in the last 4 years in the whole season.
There was only one time where Dortmund had less points after 13 games than this season (1985/86).
 

MaxY

Devil May Cry
I'm really freaking sad about Dortmund. Oh well,it's their own damn fault anyways. Gotze, Lewandowski, Reus, Hummels, Weidenfeller etc, they really had an all-star team that they got for so little money. I still can't believe that they sold Gotze and Lewa to Bayern and that they will probably do the same with Reus. Them letting Lewa go for free to Bayern is probably the worst transfer in history. They are a likable club with likable fans and players, but their board is just as stupid as the Barcelona one:bartomeu: .
 

te amo barca

Blaugrana al vent
I'm really freaking sad about Dortmund. Oh well,it's their own damn fault anyways. Gotze, Lewandowski, Reus, Hummels, Weidenfeller etc, they really had an all-star team that they got for so little money. I still can't believe that they sold Gotze and Lewa to Bayern and that they will probably do the same with Reus. Them letting Lewa go for free to Bayern is probably the worst transfer in history. They are a likable club with likable fans and players, but their board is just as stupid as the Barcelona one:bartomeu: .

lol it's not like the board let them go (Abidal), the players wanted to leave themselves.
 

DennyCrane

Senior Member
I'm really freaking sad about Dortmund. Oh well,it's their own damn fault anyways. Gotze, Lewandowski, Reus, Hummels, Weidenfeller etc, they really had an all-star team that they got for so little money. I still can't believe that they sold Gotze and Lewa to Bayern and that they will probably do the same with Reus. Them letting Lewa go for free to Bayern is probably the worst transfer in history. They are a likable club with likable fans and players, but their board is just as stupid as the Barcelona one:bartomeu: .

Their board has to roll with the punches financially, it's not like BVB has an economic infrastructure that equals that of the industry giants. Especially the wage structure is relatively low and let's face it, for 99,9 % of players the wage trumps everything no matter how much they allegedly love their club.

Letting Götze leave to Bayern wasn't a shortcoming on BVB's side either: First off, Bayern payed his release clause set at that time to 37 mil. €. If he transfered a year later, the clause would have been lowered to 30 mil € and a year after that to 22 mil €, so financially they got the most out of this transfer. Blaming them for putting that clause in the contract in the first place would be misconceiving the economic reality since there's no way a player like him would be signing a long-term contract without this clause in the first place. This is just how the system works and BVB can't change anything about that.
Lewa transfer was something different since they decided that he fulfilling his contract is worth more than what they can get out of a transfer fee + they also would had to buy a replacement earlier. It's debatable whether that was the right move or not but him transfering was set in stone from the get go, as his lovely agent Kucharski communicated it a thousand times for an entire year.

Reus will also leave, sooner rather than later and that is not BVB's fault as well. It's a small miracle he chose BVB over Bayern in the first place and the only way this could have been accomplished is with a relatively low release clause as well. As low as 25 mil € if Mr. Rummenigge is to be believed. The only thing that might keep him there is the fact that he's injured yet again and potential buyer clubs see him as too injury prone. The chance of that happening is pretty low.

In a nutshell, Dortmund is (was ?) sportive elite, financially they're not hence they're doomed to lose key players and talents on a regular basis. Their board made wise financial decisions at the beginning of the season which I've written about six odd months ago

Dortmund sponsor Evonik have extended their deal with the club. The contract expires 2025 and will bring Dortmund 18 mil € per year plus incentives. On top of that, Evonik bought 9 % of the shares of the BVB PLP which will bring them roughly 25 - 30 mil € on top of that. The BVB PLP also changed their association articles to make it possible to get another external sponsor as well, although it might also be that Evonik acquires this package as well.

The range of the entire deal should therefore equal roughly 300 mil €.


to transform them into a financial elite club with an adequate wage structure but this development will take time and the current slump of their team isn't very helpful.
 
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hamad138

Banned
http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussba...und-borussia-dortmund-robert-lewandowski.html

This sheds new light on the whole Lewa-Reus-BVB-Bayern affair. Apperently, there was a secret agreement between Watzke and Killer-Kalle to not sell Lewa to Real last minute while in return Bayern would not go for Reus as soon as the transfer clause could be activated.

Nonesense, lewa said he wanted bayern and his contract was on the end, they couldnt do anything at all.
lewa wanted to move earlier but dortmund rejected it.

Mafia Perez wanted to give lewa 20mil cash +10m his agent and 13mil per year.

But Mafia Perez lost
 

DennyCrane

Senior Member
http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussba...und-borussia-dortmund-robert-lewandowski.html

This sheds new light on the whole Lewa-Reus-BVB-Bayern affair. Apperently, there was a secret agreement between Watzke and Killer-Kalle to not sell Lewa to Real last minute while in return Bayern would not go for Reus as soon as the transfer clause could be activated.

Wow. If that's true than Kalle broke the agreement with his recent remarks about Reus though. And one can say a lot about him and the bavarian management in general and I don't particulary like Kalle to put it mildly, but Bayern respects agreements. So I don't buy it to be honest, not even Kalle would stoop that low.
 

suckabov

Lemon curry?
Wow. If that's true than Kalle broke the agreement with his recent remarks about Reus though. And one can say a lot about him and the bavarian management in general and I don't particulary like Kalle to put it mildly, but Bayern respects agreements. So I don't buy it to be honest, not even Kalle would stoop that low.

Or KHR is more wicked than anyone thought and just drops these statements to make foreign clubs nervous and raise their wage offers for Reus to convinve him of not joining Bayern, increasing the chance of him leaving and thus BVB being weakened...

On a more serious note, before this BVB BuLi collapse, I was actually convinced that the chances of Reus staying at BVB for 1 more season were bigger than a lot of people made out, but with their likely missing out on the CL that seems out of question. The contract they allegedly offered him was already not amazingly convincing in the first place, now with their situation they'd need to add a few millions on top. I'll just prefer to completely ignore the Reus situation from now on, as imagining a likeable player like him ending up in each of the possible and most likely destinations makes me a little sick.
 

hamad138

Banned
In klopp we trust

2011: Bundesliga
2012: Double
2013: CL Final
2014: Cup final , 2nd

Klopp 4 : 1 Mourinho
Klopp 3: 0 Guardiola
Klopp 2:0 Ancelotti( seriously he should have won higher and kicked out ancelotti in the CL league , stupid hrtikeyan)
And only 9 Points off Europe now

In klopp we trust
 

DennyCrane

Senior Member
Or KHR is more wicked than anyone thought and just drops these statements to make foreign clubs nervous and raise their wage offers for Reus to convinve him of not joining Bayern, increasing the chance of him leaving and thus BVB being weakened...

On a more serious note, before this BVB BuLi collapse, I was actually convinced that the chances of Reus staying at BVB for 1 more season were bigger than a lot of people made out, but with their likely missing out on the CL that seems out of question. The contract they allegedly offered him was already not amazingly convincing in the first place, now with their situation they'd need to add a few millions on top. I'll just prefer to completely ignore the Reus situation from now on, as imagining a likeable player like him ending up in each of the possible and most likely destinations makes me a little sick.

Yep, he needs to play international football and with him missing the WC already, I think he couldn't bear a season without CL football. Wages are another factor and considering Dortmund's wage structure and his quality I don't see how this could be worked out. Taking everything into consideration he should earn 6 - 7 mil € per year and that just doesn't fit. Even if Dortmund were able and willing to pay that amount, how would they justify that before the rest of the squad, seeing how for example Lewa was on 1.5 mil €, Mats on around 2.5 - 3 mil € ? It's stuff like that which usually leads to trouble within a team. Furthermore, this would set a precedent so at the very least all key players would demand higher wages when negotiating new contracts leading to incalculable follow-up costs as a consequence. Dortmund isn't ready for this quite yet.

Even if Dortmund get their act together and reach a CL spot and offer him a contract worth 4 - 5 mil € per year, it would still take a lot of goodwill on Marco's part not to go for another club, who I expect to queue up at the end of the season if his release clause is really that low as it is circulated at the moment.

So yeah, chances of him staying are pretty slim.
 
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