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Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Yannik
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Time could prove you wrong.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Very unlikely. Unless Bayern has a serious flip, I don't see other teams challenging its dominance at all.
Yannik
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It's football. Who would have predicted Dortmund a couple of years back, who would have predicted Stuttgart or Wolfsburg. Who knows what Leipzig brings to the roster, they are already matching Bayern's spending despite being lower tier.
And of course Bayern could always actually have a serious flip. 10 years is a very, very, very likely timespan for one or a lot of surprises. Every year people think they've seen it all, and then they realize that they haven't looked past their horizone.
Blaugrana Bull
HiiiPoWeR
Barca's number of league titles in the last 10 years: 6
Bayern's number of league titles in the last 10 years: 6
Number of teams that won La Liga title in the last 10 years: 3
Number of teams that won BuLi title in the last 10 years: 4
I do not want any discussion about the leagues. La Liga is the best league in the world and it is way harder to win it and I know Bayern is dominant as hell in recent time but it annoys me to read all this crap by people who do not watch the league regularly.
Before every Barca game there is a discussion about the difficulty of the match and when we play Malaga or San Sebastian there all those posts about how though they are, how we struggle there and so on. Not saying that is not true but if you do not know anything about German clubs or league do not assume there is not a similar situation there.
Bayern's number of league titles in the last 10 years: 6
Number of teams that won La Liga title in the last 10 years: 3
Number of teams that won BuLi title in the last 10 years: 4
I do not want any discussion about the leagues. La Liga is the best league in the world and it is way harder to win it and I know Bayern is dominant as hell in recent time but it annoys me to read all this crap by people who do not watch the league regularly.
Before every Barca game there is a discussion about the difficulty of the match and when we play Malaga or San Sebastian there all those posts about how though they are, how we struggle there and so on. Not saying that is not true but if you do not know anything about German clubs or league do not assume there is not a similar situation there.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
BB, not sure if this post of yours was directed at my comments above. I do watch Buli regularly, moreover I have watched Bundesliga much more than La Liga in the last 15 years or so. Actually, I think I have watched Bundesliga more than any other league so far. So let's just get this one (credentials, qualifications to comment on the Bundesliga etc.) out of the way.
All those facts that you stated above is true. However, that is history and it has very little to do with what will happen in the future and I am talking about present and the near future. Bayern has left the rest of the league in the dust in pretty much everything, the gap is widening, not closing. In the short term not BVB, not Leverkusen, Schalke, Wolfsburg, or any of the old time heavy weights such as HSV Hamburg and Stuttgart will be able to match Bayern. Bayern is on its way to get the first 4 Buli titles in a row and I just don't see the trend reversing at all. Mind you, this is the league that we are talking about, it requires not just a short burst of luck or form, it requires consistency and Bayern has no serious competitors left. That said, nobody is saying all the teams are just push-overs and every game is a walk in the park for them, of course not. That's why I was particularly disappointed at Augsburg's abysmal performance today as they were not this toothless in the recent past if I recall correctly, they usually put up a good fight when Bayern was in town. Gladbach always give Bayern a hard time. Even Leverkusen had not been that bad at all battling the mighty Bayern in the last many match ups. Of course this happens, this happens to every team in every league. But, overall Bayern enjoys the overwhelming dominance and consistency that no other team can match and there is nothing in sight that suggest that this trend is reversing or changing. That is why I pronounce that they will win many many consecutive Buli titles down the road. As someone who supports BVB, I take great pain in stating that.
Nobody is saying all battles have been easily won before the first shot is fired. Nobody.
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Cule For Life
Member
With Carlo's league record. I'm sure Dortmund will win it back soon enough.
Messi983
Senior Member
I've never seen that before.
Referee Gets Fed Up, Walks Off In Middle Of Bayer Leverkusen-Borussia Dortmund Match
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/referee-gets-fed-up-walks-off-in-middle-of-bayer-lever-1760416708
Referee Gets Fed Up, Walks Off In Middle Of Bayer Leverkusen-Borussia Dortmund Match
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/referee-gets-fed-up-walks-off-in-middle-of-bayer-lever-1760416708
Blaugrana Bull
HiiiPoWeR
It was because Leverkusen's coach Roger Schmidt did not want to go to the stands and was disrespectful towards referee Felix Zwayer. Unnecessary by him but I think the ref overreacted.
El Flaco
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[German] Rudi Völler (sporting director for Leverkusen) post-match interview on Sky Bundesliga
Here's an English translation of the post-match interview from the clip above...
Here's an English translation of the post-match interview from the clip above...
Reporter (Sebastian Hellmann): "Isn't the manager supposed to wonder if he's helping the team with his behaviour? I mean, it just figures he'd have to leave the pitch sooner or later."
Rudi Völler [nods]: "But still, in such a situation...we are a goal behind, it's normal that it gets a little hectic. If I were the referee I would go to him [Schmidt] and tell him what the issue is and that he shall leave. That's my opinion - okay, if the rules are different, we learned something new again."
R: "What do you think...the rules are clear...What do you think about the overall atmosphere...Rudi Völler, there were many discussions with the fourth referee...Roger Schmidt was very impulsive during the game. How did you see the situation?"
V: "yeah, but other managers do the same. We shouldn't overvalue that. Every manager is extremely tensed up. And then, of course, you feel like you're being treated a little unfair...of course, the free-kick was too far away [from the foul] and then, well, you grumble a bit. But we saw it on Sky yesterday, many other managers did the same. What I'm saying is, of course you can send off our manager, it's not the end of the world, it happens, also to other managers...but you need to explain it to him in a sensible way. ... And to send the teams into the player's tunnel, as if something terrible had happened here, was totally exaggerated."
R: "That is also stated by the rules, Zwayer [the referee] needs to do that."
V: "Then why doesn't he go to the manager?"
R: "yes, I'm only saying what the rules say." [...] "Well that's the way it is. Zwayer follows the rules...okay, that was a novelty in the Bundesliga: a disruption of the game because a manager doesn't want to go to the stands after he has been sent off."
V [sarcastic]: "But he returned the favor: That's why he didn't award the penalty [points to the box]. It balances out."
R: "Well, I'm not so sure about that."
V: "But I am."
R: "That's a daring thesis, but, anyway, when you speak to Roger Schmidt now, what will you tell him as a representative of the club Bayer Leverkusen?"
V: "That we should have been awarded a penalty...what do you even...why do you talk about Roger Schmidt now?"
R: "I think he should have left the pitch, because he couldn't save the situation by staying."
V: "But that wasn't important for the result. It was much more crucial that the referee didn't award us the penalty, wasn't it?"
R: "Well I just mean..."
V: "What do you mean?!"
R: "I mean..."
V: "yeah What?!"
R: "Do you think Roger Schmidt did the right thing when he refused to leave the pitch? He didn't help the team with his behaviour. That's what I'm trying to say........."
V: "Well, who did more damage [to Bayer Leverkusen]? Roger Schmidt or the referee? ... Be completely honest with yourself."
R: "The referee is neutral..."
V [sarcastic]: "Oh! I see..."
R: "..."
V: "Who did more damage? Tell me. Don't only tell me afterwords, when the microphone is turned off "You're right, Rudi", but tell me now!"
R: "No, not at all. I say the referee is neutral......"
V: "okay, but I've asked a different question."
R: "Yes. I don't say that the referee did damage to you. I say he made a wrong call [regarding the penalty, I think], and I say that quite deliberately."
V: "I'm seeing that from the perspective of the club, he did damage to us."
R: "Roger Schmidt is a represantative of the club."
V: "Well, maybe, he did the mistake of not leaving, but you don't have to blow that out of proportion now. ...but...you don't need to send off the teams. He [the referee] should have gone to him and told him: "Mr. Schmidt, you have to leave the pitch because you were a little too harsh with the fourth referee." And then he would have left. Yeah, he should have done that. So why didn't he do it?"
R: "We will ask Mr. Zwayer [the referee]."
V: "Goodbye"
R: "Goodbye, Rudi."
Rudi Völler [nods]: "But still, in such a situation...we are a goal behind, it's normal that it gets a little hectic. If I were the referee I would go to him [Schmidt] and tell him what the issue is and that he shall leave. That's my opinion - okay, if the rules are different, we learned something new again."
R: "What do you think...the rules are clear...What do you think about the overall atmosphere...Rudi Völler, there were many discussions with the fourth referee...Roger Schmidt was very impulsive during the game. How did you see the situation?"
V: "yeah, but other managers do the same. We shouldn't overvalue that. Every manager is extremely tensed up. And then, of course, you feel like you're being treated a little unfair...of course, the free-kick was too far away [from the foul] and then, well, you grumble a bit. But we saw it on Sky yesterday, many other managers did the same. What I'm saying is, of course you can send off our manager, it's not the end of the world, it happens, also to other managers...but you need to explain it to him in a sensible way. ... And to send the teams into the player's tunnel, as if something terrible had happened here, was totally exaggerated."
R: "That is also stated by the rules, Zwayer [the referee] needs to do that."
V: "Then why doesn't he go to the manager?"
R: "yes, I'm only saying what the rules say." [...] "Well that's the way it is. Zwayer follows the rules...okay, that was a novelty in the Bundesliga: a disruption of the game because a manager doesn't want to go to the stands after he has been sent off."
V [sarcastic]: "But he returned the favor: That's why he didn't award the penalty [points to the box]. It balances out."
R: "Well, I'm not so sure about that."
V: "But I am."
R: "That's a daring thesis, but, anyway, when you speak to Roger Schmidt now, what will you tell him as a representative of the club Bayer Leverkusen?"
V: "That we should have been awarded a penalty...what do you even...why do you talk about Roger Schmidt now?"
R: "I think he should have left the pitch, because he couldn't save the situation by staying."
V: "But that wasn't important for the result. It was much more crucial that the referee didn't award us the penalty, wasn't it?"
R: "Well I just mean..."
V: "What do you mean?!"
R: "I mean..."
V: "yeah What?!"
R: "Do you think Roger Schmidt did the right thing when he refused to leave the pitch? He didn't help the team with his behaviour. That's what I'm trying to say........."
V: "Well, who did more damage [to Bayer Leverkusen]? Roger Schmidt or the referee? ... Be completely honest with yourself."
R: "The referee is neutral..."
V [sarcastic]: "Oh! I see..."
R: "..."
V: "Who did more damage? Tell me. Don't only tell me afterwords, when the microphone is turned off "You're right, Rudi", but tell me now!"
R: "No, not at all. I say the referee is neutral......"
V: "okay, but I've asked a different question."
R: "Yes. I don't say that the referee did damage to you. I say he made a wrong call [regarding the penalty, I think], and I say that quite deliberately."
V: "I'm seeing that from the perspective of the club, he did damage to us."
R: "Roger Schmidt is a represantative of the club."
V: "Well, maybe, he did the mistake of not leaving, but you don't have to blow that out of proportion now. ...but...you don't need to send off the teams. He [the referee] should have gone to him and told him: "Mr. Schmidt, you have to leave the pitch because you were a little too harsh with the fourth referee." And then he would have left. Yeah, he should have done that. So why didn't he do it?"
R: "We will ask Mr. Zwayer [the referee]."
V: "Goodbye"
R: "Goodbye, Rudi."
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Blaugrana Bull
HiiiPoWeR
Of course he can. It is also correct according to the rules. But a good ref would have told Schmidt that he crossed a line, that he has no right to be disrespectful towards him and he would have managed to continue the game without the unnecessary bullshit of sending both teams into the tunnel.
A ref is not there to put on a show and stand in the limelight, he is there to run the game without making himself noticeable.
A ref is not there to put on a show and stand in the limelight, he is there to run the game without making himself noticeable.
Yannik
Senior Member
The ref did actually tell Kiessling who was captaining Leverkusen, that he is going to interrupt the match if Schmidt doesn't leave the coaching zone. Kiessling also told that to Schmidt, I think he went there 2 times, but Schmidt still refused to leave. Zwayer did everything right in that situation when he interuppted the match then.
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