Champions League 12/13

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DennyCrane

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Yes, you´re right. It´ll be an issue in the next weeks, much more than it would have been in the days of Daum. But that has nothing to do with the intensity the Pöhler attacked the authority of Heynckes. From now on any media has to feed its customers until the games have been played. The rivalry between clubs like BVB and Bayern or Barca and Real is the ideal diet to do so.
But I do not think that it´ll influence the games. It is food for the fans. On a side note: It is funny to watch how this information overkill is transformed into something similar to knowledge by the fans. For example: One of the users here wrote that Bayern was the easiest opponent for Barca since their defenders and midfielders are slow. Speaking about a Bayern-team with the likes of Demichelis, van Bommel and van Buyten it was true. But this information is three years old. If you look at Lahm, Boateng, Dante, Alaba, Martinez, Müller and Schweinsteiger only Schweini is a bit slow (Kroos also - but....). Looking at the Caf, Schwatzgelb or other bigger fan-forums you can watch this phenomenon often. Long discussions that have been started on the basis of so called knowledge.
I do belief in fair competition as well and I think the both FCBs will have that :D

So, you didn't know that Bayerns' defense and midfielders are slow ? I'm baffled. :pep:
But it's no wonder, for every tactics analysis website, 1000 obscure stats and player-by-player comparison sites pop up from nowhere for no discernible reason other than the idea to give bean counters and tea leave readers a playground; hence such ideas like Bayern defenders are slow etc. are widespread on the interwebz.

To go a bit more in-depth concerning the upcoming tie, I think Barcas' success will mostly depend on how they can evade Bayerns' pressing game. Taking Barcas' elaborate passing and movement patterns into account, this might (with an emphasis on 'might') lead to Bayern chasing the ball a lot and tire physically and mentally.
Since Barca has a pretty varied approach to open the game and build up, it won't be enough for Bayern to pressure some key players like it was when they played Juventus. I mean, in the first Juventus tie, they took Pirlo out of the game and Mandzo pressured their CBs and Juve was pretty much done for. And even if that were to be enough, one can't pressure Xavi for 90 minutes.. it just ain't possible.

Defensively, I hope the coaching staff will recognize that Barca needs to go back to the asymmetrical approach (considering the full-backs) that was used when Abidal played left back, which includes Bossquets falling back between the CBs. Playing two wing-backs who constantly work the entire vertical will be suicide against Rib n' Rob. Other than that, collective pressing needs an urgent comeback.

Psychologically, I see Barca with an advantage, not only because the return leg is in the mighty Camp Nou. But in the more recent past, when e.g. the german NT players of the Bayern squad faced the likes of Xaviniestaquets, it didn't have a happy ending for them. So they probably will have a lot of (too much ?) respect, which could be an advantage.

Your thoughts, Sir ?
 
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Bayern Munich vs Barcelona
Real Madrid vs Dortmund

Year 2000 - All Spanish Final, Year 2003 - All Italian Final, Year 2008 - All English Final, Year 2013 - ??

I'm going for an all German final.
 

Waschdel

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To go a bit more in-depth concerning the upcoming tie, I think Barcas' success will mostly depend on how they can evade Bayerns' pressing game. Taking Barcas' elaborate passing and movement patterns into account, this might (with an emphasis on 'might') lead to Bayern chasing the ball a lot and tire physically and mentally.
Since Barca has a pretty varied approach to open the game and build up, it won't be enough for Bayern to pressure some key players like it was when they played Juventus. I mean, in the first Juventus tie, they took Pirlo out of the game and Mandzo pressured their CBs and Juve was pretty much done for. And even if that were to be enough, one can't pressure Xavi for 90 minutes.. it just ain't possible.

Defensively, I hope the coaching staff will recognize that Barca needs to go back to the asymmetrical approach (considering the full-backs) that was used when Abidal played left back, which includes Bossquets falling back between the CBs. Playing two wing-backs who constantly work the entire vertical will be suicide against Rib n' Rob. Other than that, collective pressing needs an urgent comeback.

Psychologically, I see Barca with an advantage, not only because the return leg is in the mighty Camp Nou. But in the more recent past, when e.g. the german NT players of the Bayern squad faced the likes of Xaviniestaquets, it didn't have a happy ending for them. So they probably will have a lot of (too much ?) respect, which could be an advantage.

Your thoughts, Sir ?

Here they come :D:
First of all you´re completely right with your analysis of the Bayern-Juve game. It has been relatively easy to control Juve by taking out Pirlo, although I´ve thought Marchisio could have done better.
This will not happen against Barca. Barca is too flexible in their build-up patterns. The Bayern pressing has to be intelligent, which means that the players have to understand the game in terms of finding the right time/occasion to do so. Until last year I would have said, that Bayern probably have no chance against Barca. They have been a one dimensional team. There was hardly anything else than the possession style, slower and much more foreseeable than the style Barca plays. But that has changed completely this season. Offensively Bayern became much faster and their playing against the ball is just formidable. They still build up over the wings in most cases, but they also attack in the middle sometimes with one of the two defensive midfielders pushing into the room, that often gets free, when the wingplayers are doubled. Especially with Müller as CAM instead of Kroos you will see this repeatedly.
More importantly Bayern turned into a defensive powerhouse. Just look at the statistics of the BL. They´ve shot the most counterattacking goals and these goals are nothing else but successfully realized turnovers as a result of good defensive work. When you write about Barca`s "asymmetrical approach" with Busquets falling back, when the fullbacks are attacking, this is one of these moments I am talking about for well dosed pressing. Because that is the ideal moment for successful counterattacking.
I don´t see any psychological advantage for Barca playing the first leg in Munich. It´s the other way round in my opinion. Last time Bayern lost when they´ve played the first leg in Munich was 2006! But they´ve succeeded against the likes of Real or Manu when they´ve played the first leg at home. The way Bastian S. came back this year after that brutal loss and a broken shoulder last year, makes me sure, that this team has a lot of respect for Barca but no fear.
 
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DennyCrane

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Here they come :D:
First of all you´re completely right with your analysis of the Bayern-Juve game. It has been relatively easy to control Juve by taking out Pirlo, although I´ve thought Marchisio could have done better.
This will not happen against Barca. Barca is too flexible in their build-up patterns. The Bayern pressing has to be intelligent, which means that the players have to understand the game in terms of finding the right time/occasion to do so. Until last year I would have said, that Bayern probably have no chance against Barca. They have been a one dimensional team. There was hardly anything else than the possession style, slower and much more foreseeable than the style Barca plays. But that has changed completely this season. Offensively Bayern became much faster and their playing against the ball is just formidable. They still build up over the wings in most cases, but they also attack in the middle sometimes with one of the two defensive midfielders pushing into the room, that often gets free, when the wingplayers are doubled. Especially with Müller as CAM instead of Kroos you will see this repeatedly.
More importantly Bayern turned into a defensive powerhouse. Just look at the statistics of the BL. They´ve shot the most counterattacking goals and these goals are nothing else but successfully realized turnovers as a result of good defensive work. When you write about Barca`s "asymmetrical approach" with Busquets falling back, when the fullbacks are attacking, this is one of these moments I am talking about for well dosed pressing. Because that is the ideal moment for successful counterattacking.
I don´t see any psychological advantage for Barca playing the first leg in Munich. It´s the other way round in my opinion. Last time Bayern lost when they´ve played the first leg in Munich was 2006! But they´ve succeeded against the likes of Real or Manu when they´ve played the first leg at home. The way Bastian S. came back this year after that brutal loss and a broken shoulder last year, makes me sure, that this team has a lot of respect for Barca but no fear.

Interesting read, mate !

Despite all the talks about Rib n' Rob, it's indeed Müller I'm anxious about the most. While he lacks Tonis' ball distribution abilities, the guy is so unpredictable - wonder if even Osram really knows what the space-interpreter will do next. The only way to keep him down for the most time, as we've seen in the 2nd leg vs Arsenal, is to somehow trigger Robbens' egomaniac mode, but even then the guy pops up somewhere and plays backheel through balls.

On another note, Rummenigge striked back at Klopp yesterday with some hair-transplantation jokes. Hope Klopp gets creative now. Rummenigge is not exactly the brightest bulb on the porch and should be easy prey for the Pöhler. ;)
 
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Lionel Messi

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Real Madrid are very lucky to avoid bayern in the semis. they are lucky to avoid any other big club in quarter finals as well. they were lucky in nani red card incident as well. I keep on wondering, if they go to the final, would they really deserve to be there? maybe this is not luck, maybe it's a plan. please borussia, have faith on yourself and beat madrid.
 

Turson

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Real Madrid are very lucky to avoid bayern in the semis. they are lucky to avoid any other big club in quarter finals as well. they were lucky in nani red card incident as well. I keep on wondering, if they go to the final, would they really deserve to be there? maybe this is not luck, maybe it's a plan. please borussia, have faith on yourself and beat madrid.

Every team that plays in CL finals deserves to be there.
 

BXI Fútbol

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not necessarily

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footyfan

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I'm definitely excited as a neutral. I really like Dortmund but I just like a few of the Madrid players more. I don't mind if Real wins the CL this year. A Real-Bayern final would be great to watch.
 
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