Champions League 2013/2014

[BarcaOG]

consider: this is the first time in the past three years that Madrid did not lose the first leg of their semi-final matchup in the Champions League--
0-2 to Barca
2-1 to Bayern
4-1 to Dortmund

a good omen for madrid, unfortunately.

 

[DennyCrane]

http://www.theguardian.com/football...ola-manchester-united-bayern-munich-no-chance
"I signed for three years. I am here, I am Bayern's and I want to stay here for [the] two more years [on my contract] to do my job," Guardiola said.
- that was yesterday

Has Beckenbauers outrage from today already been mentioned on this forum today? We all knew it was coming
http://www.tribalfootball.com/artic...ics-bayern-munich-defeat-4018752#.U1ii9EiKDIU

Come on Pep. . . . . come home to Barca

Beckenbauer back to his best I see. Making it sound as if Pep didn't care about the result but only about the posession stat and then arguing against it. A strawman if there ever was one. Well, at least he didn't hit the same rock bottom as the german commentator yesterday who floated the idea that Pep might have destroyed the inner tension and form of the players by proclaiming that the league is over.

 

[ManusXavi]

No Tom and Jerry = No Childhood

Yes I know its Tom and Jerry lol. Legends. And Looney tunes are legends. I once had a whole box set of tom and Jerry

 

[FC B]

If its Real vs Chelsea. I might support Chelsea...

Even with the Stupid One on their bench, undoubtedly.

1) How hilarious to say that Pep destroyed football.. The guy that revolutionized football, that introduced a new era, a new philosophy, that shook fundamentally all concepts of how to play until then, and above all did all this with STYLE, with attacking football and flair, with proactive approach, with the desire to impose his style, to dominate the opponent..
Pep true team in only Barca. He could remain a king here forever, a new Ferguson for Catalonia, growing one generation of players after another untill getting 65 and winning numerous titles and CLs.. He was the only man who could evolve tiki-taka in a new formation and fashion with core principles remaining.
His decision is pretty hard. You could see today how hard it is to instill tiki-taka in a team that is not hard-wired in it, like Barca is..
But, i understand that he is young and wants more experiences and proving himself elsewhere. Some day he will understand his mistake.


2) Yes, Mourinho has NO football identity or philosophy.
His philosophy is win at any cost, and his name above everything, and of course the easiest way to do it is by defending.
Old and known (non)philosophy, but no one will remember him for any school of football, no ideas he contributed to the history of the sport. They will remember him only for his record and his clown-like statements and games.. He is not Herrera even in his utmost fantasies. Herrera introduced Catenacio. What did Mourinho introduced in his 10-12 year spell at top-level football?
Only mind-games, how to play with the media, how to inflate your ego, how to feel bigger than your club, how to disrespect football history and of course Maciavelianism all the way..
Mourinho was so unhappy at Real Madrid, bcz the club was bigger than him and its tradition prevented him from applying his miserable philosophy. The history of the club didnt allow to prioritize win at any cost over some principles. The result was an in-between solution that was his demise in the club. Mourinho was a complete failure at Madrid. Now he has returned to a team where he can feel bigger than the club again..

He was the second to introduce a way to react against the massive and invincible tiki-taka by presenting a team happy to spend the whole game in its own box (Inter 2010). Hiddink 2009 was the first with the same ingredients, but Mourinho performed it better. We show the same story all over again with Chelsea and Di matteo in 2012..
One thing i really appreciated in Ferguson is that he rejected putting his team in the box both in 2009 and 2011 finals. He came out to play with his style (with variations maybe but with his style). He lost and in the end he said that we were playing against a better team. Fair and Honest.

But, no one should be naive enough to consider a method of denying playing as a method of winning tiki-taka. Of course not. Any new tactical variation becomes a novel method of playing football only if it can be applied to all the opponents indifferently and win them all..

Stealing a title is never the same as winning a title. True winning always goes hand in hand with imposing your style over the opponent.
This goes also to the many fools around that still advocate that every winner of a title, no matter how, is a deserved one.. Bullshit!
The fact that not all the winners are remembered gives the answer..


3) But indeed, beside Mourinho and his antics, we show a true team that was able to win tiki-taka not by rejecting any style and parking a bus inside the box, and this was of course Hyunkes' Bayern. Its a pitty both that Guardiola left Barca, Huynkes left Bayern, and guardiola is now at bayern..
We should have watched a real clash between them over 2-3 years time. A CL final in 2012 (which Barca might have won) and CL semi-finals in 2013 (which Bayern would have won as they did but with much less gap btw the teams).. Not bayern at its full blossom versus a disjoint barca or Barca in disguise as Bayern now which can only imitate the brutal force of Pep's team..

Great post !

 

[khorne]

yep, well said birdy

concerning mourinho, i think he would be capable of playing with different styles, and also bring new inventions to football that would be enjoyable to watch. he doesn't do that, because i believe deep down mourinho is an extremely troubled and insecure person, who's self esteem comes entirely from winning. and the more success he's had as a manager, the more he's becoming a prisoner of this expectation, because now in football he has become a byword for success and so he resorts to destructive boring football, mind games and general scumbaggery, basically anything that's technically legal, in order to deliver the titles. and despite him being a huge jerk, I cannot help but feel a bit sorry, because that would mean not all of his scumbaggery is deliberate, in a way. also quite some potential for good football is lost that way.

 

[Turson]

I thought it was a no pen too, until I rewatched the replay fir the 10th time. Closely watch from the net angle. Mullets striking foot IS going to make contact (crucial) but then Xabi flies in and contacts the foot with his thigh, preventing Muller from hitting the ball.

Rematch it- I genuinely believe that's a penalty. Pay close attention to his STRIKING foot.

Muller himself said that there was no penalty.

 

[barcanuck]

Great stuff Birdy.

Fully agreed, to sum it all up since Pep game in 2008 the CL has gone back and forth between real football and bus parking couter football inspired by Mou.

Mou was the first to figure out how to beat Pep in 2009 with Inter and that was to cheat us in the first leg with a Portugese ref and park the bus with 8 defenders on the pitch. Then everyone who could imitate that did and only Chelsea has been able to win it otherwise.

However it has been a see saw between bus parking and beauty football since Pep started:

2009 - Barca
2010 - Inter
2011 - Barca
2012 - Chelsea
2013 - Bayern
2014 - ?

Maybe it's time for Atletico or Chelsea to win the CL again since it's a see saw

 

[FC B]

Cheshit again with that shit parked bus game all over again and with the Stupid One on their bench ? No thanks !
I still hope Bayern will do it or Atletico.

P.S. If it weren't for that piece of shit Mou and Benquerenca thing Barca might have been as well the first team to defend their CL trophy or it could even have won three in a row

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

Then everyone who could imitate that did and only Chelsea has been able to win it otherwise.

Wait, WHAT???

 

[barcanuck]

Wait, WHAT???

Sorry bad grammar. Basically everyone started to play like Mou to beat us (6 defenders on pitch at all times).

 

[FC B]

Pedro Proenca was chosen to conduct the second leg of the semifinal between Bayern and rm
It reminds me of the stupid Olegario Benquerenca and that cursed semi final vs. Inter when he fucked us pretty hard.
It is shit to appoint Proenca to a Cristiano and other two portughese team in a CL semi final that will take place in Lisbon......

 

[ViscaBarca914]

If it ends up being Chelsea vs RM I cant see any good reasons to support madrid. Unless you dont happen to be a Cule. But for most of us, supporting madrid in a game like the CL final would be inexcusable. It cant happen people >_>!
Sigh....lesser of two evils. Even if its not by much. Let us pray that this isn't the case come wednesday.

 

[DonAK]

If it ends up being Chelsea vs RM I cant see any good reasons to support madrid. Unless you dont happen to be a Cule. But for most of us, supporting madrid in a game like the CL final would be inexcusable. It cant happen people >_>!
Sigh....lesser of two evils. Even if its not by much. Let us pray that this isn't the case come wednesday.

This. I'd rather want Mou win another CL title even it would hurt incredibly to see his smug face and self praising and arrogant himself, than letting Florentino and Cristiano and co having the same and the their La Decima.

Hopefully none of these two reach the final.

Atleti vs Bayern please!

 

[FC B]

If the final ends up between Chelshit and rm it would be a true nightmare !:452:
I'll "support" the shitty English team with the stupid one on the bench even though I hate them so much ! If Bayern won't qualify I'll support Chelshit to go in the final because I give them the better chances against rm than Atletico.

 

[Hamzah]

If it ends up being Chelsea vs RM I cant see any good reasons to support madrid. Unless you dont happen to be a Cule. But for most of us, supporting madrid in a game like the CL final would be inexcusable. It cant happen people >_>!
Sigh....lesser of two evils. Even if its not by much. Let us pray that this isn't the case come wednesday.

I actually hate Chelsea more than Madrid, for personal reasons, but seeing as it's a CL final I'd have to root for Chelsea.