jamrock
Senior Member
That's using that Barca forum logic, that's led by Jamdav.
CL is the only thing that matters.
But it's now.
Except when it is.
That's also ignoring they're league champions.
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CL is the only thing that matters.
But it's now.
Except when it is.
That's also ignoring they're league champions.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Yes and across
This season in isolation...no.
Your logic states Chelsea better this season than Arsenal....no chance. Chelse better than Barca also etc.
Yip and across last 3 seasons would have better record and be better team.They also won the league in 2022 and 2020.
This season in isolation...no.
Your logic states Chelsea better this season than Arsenal....no chance. Chelse better than Barca also etc.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Fake news.
Have always said Barca as a minimum need to be competing in both the league and Europe. Not just me that says that.. the board sold the levers on that same idea and budget for CL QF.
Then also said that Barca if win league and if Real win nothing then Barca are better team this season. It is the other numpties who claim Real still be better then due to CL only.
Do better.
jamrock
Senior Member
I agree Bayern were class under their previous coach.
I'm just highlighting how quickly the whole CL or bust argument falls apart, if we only look at the result in complete isolation.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Yet you are the one placing most importance on CL and what Real have done in last 5 years as if makes them better than Barca this season.
You and Serghie the ones focusing on CL.. and in the past not even this season.
Now it is you who ignores underlying stats.
Just because they didn't concede goals didn't mean they were anything amazing, they still conceded chances, essentially they got lucky up until the City game, xGA will confirm it.
Bayern were actually quite average against QSG, but they didn't have the quality to punish them, City however, did.
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Horatio
You're welcome
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malvolio
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Liar
Horatio
You're welcome
Underrated post.
ajnotkeith
Senior Member
To be honest I don't exactly agree despite really wanting to agree with you and thinking you're right on this topic generally. I would say CL should be taken into account with other factors but there are proven examples of dominant teams domestically consistently being poor against the best in Europe (just look at Barca).
The problem is, as much as our xG brains don't want it to be true, and want there to be justice in football where the team who wins in the midfield, defense, attack phases, and outplays the opponent, wins the game, unfortunately, the conversion of chances and mentality of a team plays very hard into how good they are and if they are likely to win high pressure games.
xG can be seen as a reflector of 'who played the better game' in general. But when you have very capable, talented attackers with top mental skills like Vini and Benzema you are going to win most games creating the same amount or even a little less than your opponent, that is the idea that Madrid have won most games based on.
So in a game where Madrid don't play the best game but create a few chances anyway they always have a chance because of that amazing finishing talent. The only way to definitively beat them is to deny those two chances completely, easier said than done, but current Barca have done it several times, maybe why we make it look so easy.
Yesterday is a perfect example - with Rodrygo instead of those two, but Chelsea and Madrid create roughly the same across the whole game yet Madrid ended 2-0 despite it being a totally wrong reflection of the game - they backed their finishers to come through and obviously, the story of the season for Chelsea is how theirs don't. Finishing talent and mentality of a team, and their goalkeeper, have to come into play when analysing how good a team is based on xG.
You can say they weren't tactically better - absolutely - but just had the far better individuals in attack. Maybe in a Super League that would improve because opposition teams can get used to playing them a lot more, drop their fear of them and tactically adapt with more info.
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Nazario1985
Senior Member
People thinking Leagues where a team don't even need to be the strongest (Arsenal can win while getting beaten by City every time ..etc) and you only need to perform on a regular basis against bums teams is more representative than CL when you are face to face with the strongest opponent and you HAVE to win no second or third choice...
Still betting on RM, those fuckers know how to knock every team including city
Still betting on RM, those fuckers know how to knock every team including city
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