serghei
Senior Member
Not even close. You will see the absence of Ronaldo vs a big team.
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Not even close. You will see the absence of Ronaldo vs a big team.
Jair Ventura
New member
What do UEFA coefficients have to do with Dortmund being throttled 3-0 by Tottenham of all clubs? Gtfo
serghei
Senior Member
It shows the performances of the teams in the leagues of Europe. Ligue 1 clubs do worse on average than Bundesliga clubs in european competitions. Case closed.
Ahmedd
New member
Ligue 1 is way underrated imo
I don't know if Ligue 1 is better than Bundesliga though
But Barca wont have it that easy against Lyon, you'll see.
Jair Ventura
New member
It weighs performances from as late as 5 seasons back, which has nothing to do with Dortmund’s pathetic showing today. I.e. I know you’re lazy and biased, but no Ligue 1 club has performed as poorly in their matchups with the EPL as Dortmund has today. And they’re the top club in Germany atm.
gtfo
serghei
Senior Member
Ah, ok, you were referring to this specific exception.
Just for your information. Bundesliga clubs have collected 13.071 points so far this season. Ligue 1 clubs have collected only 9.583. So even this year, Bundesliga clubs are outperforming those from Ligue 1.
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They basically won the cl with him having shockers vs Liverpool and Munich last season. Maybe he wins them 1-2/4 knockout stages a season... its just a game of chance (of course having Ronaldo increases your chances).
El Flaco
Active member
Sergio Ramos will definitely be missed, although Varane is gonna be available again.
serghei
Senior Member
After he basically knocked out Juventus with two amazing goals in Turin. After he did the same with Bayern a year before, and with Atletico. And with Juve in the final again. And PSG again last year. And basically turned the tie vs Wolfsburg on his own in the return leg.
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BBZ8800
Senior Member
A lot of guys here are surprised and saying how Ajax played better.
France won a WC in that way.
Real is winning Cls all the time that way.
On the highest level, it is not about possession and beauty.
It is about simplicity, efficiency, hunger and experience.
Juve, Milan, Germany, Italy in 90s and 00s, lately France and Real.
They rarely played extremely beautiful.
They all had good teams, strong defence, they were concentrated and more clinical infront of a goal.
Ok, the ref helped to Real, but Real would have scored 3 or 4 if they needed to.
This was a typical match between young, naive, inexperienced guys who play well and don't know how to score and win big matches, against dirty, old, experienced winners who played with 80% and who will score 3-4 goals in 15 minutes once when you finally give them more space.
I don't know why are you guys losing nerves on matches like these.
With or without refs, teams like Real Madrid will find a way to win similar ties in probably 90% of matches.
France won a WC in that way.
Real is winning Cls all the time that way.
On the highest level, it is not about possession and beauty.
It is about simplicity, efficiency, hunger and experience.
Juve, Milan, Germany, Italy in 90s and 00s, lately France and Real.
They rarely played extremely beautiful.
They all had good teams, strong defence, they were concentrated and more clinical infront of a goal.
Ok, the ref helped to Real, but Real would have scored 3 or 4 if they needed to.
This was a typical match between young, naive, inexperienced guys who play well and don't know how to score and win big matches, against dirty, old, experienced winners who played with 80% and who will score 3-4 goals in 15 minutes once when you finally give them more space.
I don't know why are you guys losing nerves on matches like these.
With or without refs, teams like Real Madrid will find a way to win similar ties in probably 90% of matches.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
CR7 had a great CL final in 2017 and shockers in 16 and 18. so, so in 14.
if Messi had 1 great CL final out of 4, we'd have absolutely 0 chance of winning all 4.
CR7 has been the most decisive CL player since 2013 (more than Messi), but that shouldn't be conflated with him being the driving force behind them going 4 in 4.
ref errors (v bayern), shocking GK (bayern, liverpool), last min red card pens (juve), fake red card (ramos theatrics v cuadrado juve) just to name a few.
if Messi had 1 great CL final out of 4, we'd have absolutely 0 chance of winning all 4.
CR7 has been the most decisive CL player since 2013 (more than Messi), but that shouldn't be conflated with him being the driving force behind them going 4 in 4.
ref errors (v bayern), shocking GK (bayern, liverpool), last min red card pens (juve), fake red card (ramos theatrics v cuadrado juve) just to name a few.
Jair Ventura
New member
Because it’s harder to earn points with fewer European spots. Doesn’t change the fact that Lyon and PSG have outperformed Dortmund, the top Bundesliga club, against EPL opponents.
Their only hope to advance to the final 8 is with Bayern, and that won’t be easy given they’re facing Liverpool.
serghei
Senior Member
Yes, this style of play works better in CL. It doesn't mean you can't win playing differently like we did in the last decade. If you have a plan and you apply it, you can win. But I agree sitting deep and playing on the counter is more often the right approach for CL.
El Flaco
Active member
Damn, you've to say that Real Madrid are extremely fortune to have great scorers in UCL throughout the years.
On the other hand, we've Luis Suárez and his whopping 4 UCL-goals in 23 games since 16/17.
That's not sustainable for any team who aspires to go deep in UCL...
Once Messi is unavailable or having an off-night, it's game over for us.
On the other hand, we've Luis Suárez and his whopping 4 UCL-goals in 23 games since 16/17.
That's not sustainable for any team who aspires to go deep in UCL...
Once Messi is unavailable or having an off-night, it's game over for us.
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