Champions League
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Well they were cruising in the sense that bayern weren't even creating half chances. Atletico are leading the league by playing this exact same way and it was the same in 2014. 1 nil wins mostly. They are slightly more possession based but creating clear chances doesnt come easy to them.Nearly every team that play them will be in with a chance of a draw or knicking a win
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Birdy
Senior Member
Group B is interesting because the match-ups are complementary.
Inter can handle Gladbach, they were better in the opening match unlucky to draw it.
Shaktar has the upper hand against RM because they cannot deal with fast forwards, while they were blown away by Gladbach.
Then, RM bossed Inter who plays a granny slow football just like them.
All in all, it creates an overall balance.
Now, thing is Inter will probably win against Shaktar (they were much better in the game in Ukraine and got unlucky so they will take revenge just like they did with Gladbach).
That will make the RM - Gladbach very interesting: RM wins and goes through with Inter as 2nd, draw makes both go through in the order they stand now, If Gladbach wins oh boy, RM will not even make the EL
Inter can handle Gladbach, they were better in the opening match unlucky to draw it.
Shaktar has the upper hand against RM because they cannot deal with fast forwards, while they were blown away by Gladbach.
Then, RM bossed Inter who plays a granny slow football just like them.
All in all, it creates an overall balance.
Now, thing is Inter will probably win against Shaktar (they were much better in the game in Ukraine and got unlucky so they will take revenge just like they did with Gladbach).
That will make the RM - Gladbach very interesting: RM wins and goes through with Inter as 2nd, draw makes both go through in the order they stand now, If Gladbach wins oh boy, RM will not even make the EL
serghei
Senior Member
Very well said.
Inter put Madrid in the driving seat in this group, despite them being terrible.
If Madrid win their game they are going through 1st, since no way Shahtar beats Inter away.Gladbach are idiots. First, they bottle a 2-0 lead vs Madrid in 5 minutes, then they take only 1 point vs Inter. A typical run of the mill Bundesliga side who plays nice-looking football, but lacks any sense of pragmaticism when they need it most.
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El Gato
Villarato!
Which is an absolute blessing compared to having to go there. And sadly without either Fede or Ramos, it's a real possibility.
Vilarrubi
New member
You forgot the obsession with height and not being a “choirboy”..... but that seems to have gone out of the window with this new Messi hate. Griezmann, Coutinho, Fati etc get a free pass being shorter now......
Where is Tackle btw?
Last I remember he said he’d bet on Barca to win CL last season........ lol
Yannik
Senior Member
Inter is the least likely atm.
Gladbach, Madrid and Shakhtar can qualify through their owns games and could even qualify through just a draw. Gladbach could even qualify via loosing to Madrid.
Inter not only needs a win in their game, they also need to have Madrid beat Gladbach (or vice versa).
They are the only team in that group, that doesn't have qualification in their own hands.
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serghei
Senior Member
I think Inter are big favorites at home vs Shakhtar. And Madrid are big favorites vs Gladbach.
So, if the most likely results happen, Madrid and Inter go through. Don't trust Gladbach one bit to get the job done away at Madrid. Madrid will go for the win as this pretty much secures the no1 spot for them. And they usually get things done when it's do or die moment.
Madrid, Inter, Gladbach, Shakhtar in this order for me. The Gladbach Inter result was really bad for Shakhtar (and Gladbach lol as they would've been guaranteed to go through and even as group winners, but they fucked it up like most Bundesliga teams not named Bayern do) as now they need to win vs a fully motivated Inter that will go all in. And since Inter beat them 5-0 in Europa League semis, and also dominated them at home, I see them with slim chances to get a result in Italy.
So, it's true Inter don't have qualification in their own hands, but what they have is most likely results favoring them.
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Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Very well said.
Inter put Madrid in the driving seat in this group, despite them being terrible.
Gladbach are idiots. First, they bottle a 2-0 lead vs Madrid in 5 minutes, then they take only 1 point vs Inter. A typical run of the mill Bundesliga side who plays nice-looking football, but lacks any sense of pragmaticism when they need it most.
Beating Real Madrid is not easy, something we failed to do for how many games at Camp Nou I don't even remember already, it has nothing to do with pragmaticism, really.
jairzinho
Senior Member
If i were a betting man there's no way i would bet on Shaktar going out to Inter who have been largely average so far (even though they managed to beat Borussia today). Shaktar on the other hand have been pretty impressive. Beating a quality Madrid team is no fluke at all. Inter will have their hands full with Shaktar on the last day. Doubt inter are big favourties. But this is football.
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KingLeo10
Senior Member
At one point, we'd also beaten RM 4-5 times in a row at the Bernabeu.
Yannik
Senior Member
But 2 likely results aren't as likely to happen as only 1 likely result.
The probability that either one game doesn't go the way "on paper" predicts, is high. Especially in this group in which nothing went according to "on paper".
Plus Inter are massive group stage bottlejobs. Remember how they went out because of PSV Eindhoven 2018 and Slavia Prague 2019? They are 50-50 vs Shakhtar and then still reliant on outer factors. And Madrid vs Gladbach already ended in a draw in the first game, Madrid is terribly out of form rn, and I don't see their defense keeping Gladbach scoreless.
Gladbach qualify:
- If they win or draw vs Madrid
- If Shakhtar-Inter ends in a draw
Madrid qualify:
- If they win vs Gladbach
- If they draw vs Gladbach and Inter wins vs Shakhtar
Shakhtar qualify:
- If they win vs Inter
- If they draw vs Inter and Madrid draws or looses to Gladbach
Inter qualify:
- If they win vs Shakhtar and Madrid-Gladbach doesn't end in a draw.
All in all Gladbach has it the easiest, even though they face the biggest team. But the factor they are the only team in the group that doesn't necessarily need to win works or draw in their favour.
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Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Yes, let's hope Gladbach does the same.
Birdy
Senior Member
Inter IMO is winning against Shaktar despite being groupbottlers, for the reasons Serghei and I mentioned.
Somehow, I see that RM vs Gladbach does not end in a draw. This is just hunch. I don't see a cagey match, it seems that it goes well for either of the two at some point in the game and then psychology works wonders to cement it.
Somehow, I see that RM vs Gladbach does not end in a draw. This is just hunch. I don't see a cagey match, it seems that it goes well for either of the two at some point in the game and then psychology works wonders to cement it.
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