CL quarters: Atletico - Barca (3-2 agg)

[Total-Football]

Where do you even get the km run stats?

I usually remember some from the game that are shown, but never have found any site containing them... I'm probably blind, but I haven't seen them @ whoscored nor squawka or even uefas own page.

i'm very koon on those kind of statistics .. sadly apart from the champions league games i can't find a source for any league ( im vry intersted in the liga and premier league distance covered stats ) it's on the UEFA.. but it's tricky :

http://fr.uefa.com/uefachampionslea...ive/day=10/session=2/match=2015781/index.html

alright here is the deal .. click on a player from the players list .. than scroll down to see his stats .. the distance covered is shown .. than scroll up and clic on another player .. than scroll down to see his stats

 

[Potroh]

Sure atletico played well and it's always hard to break them open, but players didn't even try getting into positions that could create danger, was just auto pilot, all along and this is Lucho's fault.

Atletico did NOT play well, except for their first goal, which involved a great amount of luck.
They didn't play well, because what they play is a rough, time-killing and most often revealable anti-football.

Barca will rarely play well against these type of teams, as their strength is PLAYING and not time-killing, faulting, complaining, etc.

 

[Topolino]

i'm very koon on those kind of statistics .. sadly apart from the champions league games i can't find a source for any league ( im vry intersted in the liga and premier league distance covered stats ) it's on the UEFA.. but it's tricky :

http://fr.uefa.com/uefachampionslea...ive/day=10/session=2/match=2015781/index.html

alright here is the deal .. click on a player from the players list .. than scroll down to see his stats .. the distance covered is shown .. than scroll up and clic on another player .. than scroll down to see his stats

Cheers!

I was pretty much on the same page, but I thought it'd be under post match section.

 

[Gaudi]

So Messi down to 7km again

 

[Total-Football]

So Messi down to 7km again

couple of meters away from hitting the 6.X mark .. it's like 2014 all over again

 

[BarçaBarça]

We weren't at our best. That's clear. But you have to look at the opponents we faced FFS in the last 2 seasons of CL. City, PSG, Bayern, Juventus, Arsenal, Atletico. Together with us and Madrid, those are probably the top 8 clubs in Europe atm.

In order to win 2 back to back CLs you need serious luck with the draw.

This is correct.
And that said a bit of referring-luck might have sent us through last night with the handball-pk + yellow to Gabi (of course Neymar could have been sent of, but so could more ATM-players in the first leg). Again, the little margins could have sent us through, even though a Wolfsburg/Benfica-draw would have meant sure semi-finals.

 

[Topolino]

This year in Champions League, I compared 4 teams - Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Real Madrid and Bayern.

Top 3 least distance covering players by teams.

Barca:

Messi - 7791 m/90min
Masche - 9320 m/90min
Mathieu - 9344 m/90min

Atletico:

Lucas H. - 9245 m/90min
Gimenez - 9586 m/90min
Godin - 9344 m/90min

Real Madrid:

CR7 - 9274 m/90min
Marcelo - 9586 m/90min
Benzema - 9677 m/90min

Bayern:

Boateng - 8727 m/90min
D. Costa - 9672 m/90min
J. Martinez - 9791 m/90min

Was actually quite surprised about Mascherano as he seems to run a lot and Marcelo who is a fullback.


Edit: the table feature doesn't seem to work well...

 

[JackaL]

To the running fanatics, the reason why Atletico had to run more was because we had so much ball posession, unfortunately never in the danger zone. It's a game between 2 teams you know? Atletico's plan played out perfectly, neither of MSN had enough space to create anything and they didn't really manage to receive the ball. We couldn't either set them under pressure until the 60th/70th minute. Maybe it's fatigue, maybe wrong tactics, who knows.

 

[Gaudi]

To the running fanatics, the reason why Atletico had to run more was because we had so much ball posession, unfortunately never in the danger zone. It's a game between 2 teams you know? Atletico's plan played out perfectly, neither of MSN had enough space to create anything and they didn't really manage to receive the ball. We couldn't either set them under pressure until the 60th/70th minute. Maybe it's fatigue, maybe wrong tactics, who knows.

That's true only to some extend...if you cover all the time you run more, but 8km in one half is not that case. You need to run to open spaces as well. Sorry, but Messi's 7km in our super important game is not enough!

 

[JackaL]

I don't have Messi's running statistics, dunno what is average running is etc. But somebody posted he ran like 8km in last year's Bayern game, so it's just 1km more and such a difference? Again it is not distance, he can run in 10min like hell and create like 5 goal scoring chances and do nothing the rest of the time. Of course you have to run to open spaces to get the ball and that is a good thing, the more you do it, the better you get your opponent out of position, but this was not open play, it was against a very well constructed net of AM players, they didn't give us any inch on the field.

 

[AnnieSureshot]

Can anyone provide any proof that more running equals better performance? So far the golden ball hogger Messi on average appears to run very little, so does Ronaldo in comparison with his teammates. Barcelona as a team does not run too much and this doesn't stop them collecting plenty silverware. In my head if your passing and positioning is good you don't need to chase after the ball like a dog in the park.

 

[Topolino]

I'm just talking about the distance covered because the game vs Atletico, I only saw Messi run once and it was to clean up after a Dani alves brainfart...

in 90 minutes, the man covered 7 km. That's under 4.6km/h. I may be 186cm tall, but my casual walking speed is about 5-5.5km/h.

Can anyone provide any proof that more running equals better performance? So far the golden ball hogger Messi on average appears to run very little, so does Ronaldo in comparison with his teammates. Barcelona as a team does not run too much and this doesn't stop them collecting plenty silverware. In my head if your passing and positioning is good you don't need to chase after the ball like a dog in the park.

If your opponents mark you as ferociously as Atletico Madrid does, you need to move to be free.


I'm not trying to sound like a complete cnut, I just want to see more effort.

 

[AnnieSureshot]

I'm just talking about the distance covered because the game vs Atletico, I only saw Messi run once and it was to clean up after a Dani alves brainfart...

in 90 minutes, the man covered 7 km. That's under 4.6km/h. I may be 186cm tall, but my casual walking speed is about 5-5.5km/h.



If your opponents mark you as ferociously as Atletico Madrid does, you need to move to be free.


I'm not trying to sound like a complete cnut, I just want to see more effort.

You don't sound like a cunt it's just sometimes the best course of action maybe a bit counter-intuitive. But I am genuinely interested if the amount of running a team does has an effect on the output and I'm trying to find any league year to year running statistics but not having much luck...

 

[Topolino]

You don't sound like a cunt it's just sometimes the best course of action maybe a bit counter-intuitive. But I am genuinely interested if the amount of running a team does has an effect on the output and I'm trying to find any league year to year running statistics but not having much luck...

Yeah, I can't even find last seasons CL stats.

But I guess the running works quite well.. looking at Atletico yesterday... Barca ran about 103 km, Atletico ran about 115km. That's almost like having one extra man on the pitch.

 

[JackaL]

I'm just talking about the distance covered because the game vs Atletico, I only saw Messi run once and it was to clean up after a Dani alves brainfart...

in 90 minutes, the man covered 7 km. That's under 4.6km/h. I may be 186cm tall, but my casual walking speed is about 5-5.5km/h.



If your opponents mark you as ferociously as Atletico Madrid does, you need to move to be free.


I'm not trying to sound like a complete cnut, I just want to see more effort.

Your argument does not get stronger when you put the 7km in a ratio. Have you seen the movie where the cam focuses just on Zidane (his best years). 90min, most of them just a walking Zidane. Players that make a huge difference are not running like they are on Duracell batteries. They know when to run and when not. And again, running statistics change according to tactics, see Klopp's Dortmund and yesterday's AM. Barca never relied on outrunning their opponents rather on outplaying them by passes and runs into open spaces, but again, you can do that as well with a right positioning.

But the story never gets old with running. It's the easiest descriptive statistic to draw, most people are convinced within seconds and it serves conventional wisdom as well ("a team that does not run can't win etc.").