raskolnikov
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CL | Round 4: Manchester City - FC Barcelona 3-1
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Cule For Life
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It was the same game as the first encounter, except it was us who made all the mistakes.
Can't believe we missed out on Gundo he's looking like a real bargain right now.
Can't believe we missed out on Gundo he's looking like a real bargain right now.
Exactly, the combination of them is pure disaster because our manager has no idea what he's doing. He's not using the players the right way and relies on our front three to save us every game. Matches like these show how average Luis Enrique really is.
Richard.H
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You do realize you basically described Lucho?
He's looking like a real bargain because he has a manager who actually knows what he's doing and is using him the right way. I can guarantee that if he was here right now, he'd also be a mess in our midfield and if Andre Gomes for example was in City, he'd look like a real bargain because Pep, unlike Lucho, actually knows how to organize a midfield and use his players correctly.
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Caramel
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Bardh
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I like Simeone. He built a very resilient team in Atletico. So solid defensively and now very attacking-minded too. I think it's a myth that he's a defensive coach. Having a strong defense doesn't mean being defensive-minded. It's just about organization. In the long term, a defense is a must to win titles. Whenever we won the CL in the recent years we had a better defense than normally. Simeone breathes football, is very passionate and detail-minded, which makes the difference between top teams.
I like Marcelino too. He's done well with small teams and I think he likes to build well-organized teams. The key, however, is to let the manager do his job and not force him to embrace "the Barcelona philosophy" which basically means to hell with defense just attack like mad, take unnecessary risks and keep possession without doing anything with it.
Sali
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okay. Who would you bring in then?
el loco bielsa!!!
Hatem Ben Arfa
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Lucho this, Lucho that......
the blame rest squarely on the players who clearly thought it was going to be a stroll in the park after Messi scored. They ALL switched off and almost didn't care when it went 2-1 because they still thought they would win easily without trying. It took 3-1 for Messi to finally wake up for the 2nd half. Suarez was really poor, Busquets was really poor and somehow escaped 2 yellows, Rakatic was really poor, Gomez is certainly no Iniesta, Sergi Roberto.....wow....just wow, Digne can't defend.
How hard is it to hold on to the ball in midfield for these guys tonight. Bring back Thiago and maybe sign Eden Hazard too.
Yes Enrique looked like a Rabit in headlights and took too long to change things but the players and their attitude are mostly to blame for this.
the blame rest squarely on the players who clearly thought it was going to be a stroll in the park after Messi scored. They ALL switched off and almost didn't care when it went 2-1 because they still thought they would win easily without trying. It took 3-1 for Messi to finally wake up for the 2nd half. Suarez was really poor, Busquets was really poor and somehow escaped 2 yellows, Rakatic was really poor, Gomez is certainly no Iniesta, Sergi Roberto.....wow....just wow, Digne can't defend.
How hard is it to hold on to the ball in midfield for these guys tonight. Bring back Thiago and maybe sign Eden Hazard too.
Yes Enrique looked like a Rabit in headlights and took too long to change things but the players and their attitude are mostly to blame for this.
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I wouldn't be so pissed as I am (predicted we'd lose) if Lucho hadn't thrown everything we had in. Forget about a gameplan too.
Subs are particularly pathetic. Arda adds nothing and we can't even bring on new shiny striker we got as he's fucking worthless.
There were no rotations and we still got schooled by Barca. Sorry, pep.
Subs are particularly pathetic. Arda adds nothing and we can't even bring on new shiny striker we got as he's fucking worthless.
There were no rotations and we still got schooled by Barca. Sorry, pep.
i_bleed_blaugrana
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Lol. Oh boy.
I didn't see the first half due to some personal bullshit so I didn't see much good after just watching the 2nd half lol.
I think this game gives a lot of credence to arguments about just how central Xavi and Iniesta have been, equally as vital as MSN, to our success. Goodness me, did we miss him tonight in the MF. Again, why I argued for Rafinha in the MF and its something that's still relatively lacking outside of Iniesta in the squad right now. Both Xavi and Iniesta had/have the vision to break opposing lines, either through a pass or through a dribble. Its that quality that is so vital in being a Barca MF that is why we need very specific sort of players.
I'm not prone to criticizing Lucho much these days but his swap of Arda for Rakitic was both questionable and troubling to me. As I watched it, I justified it as him saving Raki for Sevilla (which BIG PICTURE, is the more important game this week) but Arda was really poor coming on and gave the ball away in the buildup to that 3rd goal. He doesn't have enough urgency in his game right now to play in the MF for us and this game is a great example of why he should strictly be a forward for us. He is not consistent enough with is passing and we can afford that more out of a forward than in a MF with how we play and Lucho needs to learn this quickly before he continues to cost us games in this position. My only real vent from the game.
^^All of that is precisely why I didn't want Arda in the MF despite his stats. Again, those stats mainly came from him being in FW positions.
Rafinha and Denis are the players who need to be getting Iniesta's position more because neither Arda nor Gomes for me is really grasping that position at the moment. I like Gomes a lot better deeper aka in Raki or Busi's role, meaning for the time being he should be more of a bench/rotation option this season, not a starter for these sort of matches.
That's my biggest observation. Not terribly surprised at the result, we are pretty wounded atm and MSN can't do shit without a solid foundation feed it chances and possession high up the pitch. Its going to be a rough patch and I'm worried about Sevilla but once we start recuperating from the injuries, hopefully we can start finding some consistency again. Also, Pep's talk at half-time clearly made a difference. They pressed really intelligently and it seems he likes the diamond against us, something he used against us at Bayern which is smart. They played really well and honestly, they didn't deserve to be beaten that badly by us in the first leg anyway so it all ends up fairly even. They are a very solid team and I'll never complain losing to Pep unless we are clearly robbed. Ter Stegen was a bit weak on that FK too but whatever, we are still top of the group and control our destiny.
Hope this fires us up for Pizjuan because that's going to be an equally difficult game with a lot more to lose for dropping points.
I didn't see the first half due to some personal bullshit so I didn't see much good after just watching the 2nd half lol.
I think this game gives a lot of credence to arguments about just how central Xavi and Iniesta have been, equally as vital as MSN, to our success. Goodness me, did we miss him tonight in the MF. Again, why I argued for Rafinha in the MF and its something that's still relatively lacking outside of Iniesta in the squad right now. Both Xavi and Iniesta had/have the vision to break opposing lines, either through a pass or through a dribble. Its that quality that is so vital in being a Barca MF that is why we need very specific sort of players.
I'm not prone to criticizing Lucho much these days but his swap of Arda for Rakitic was both questionable and troubling to me. As I watched it, I justified it as him saving Raki for Sevilla (which BIG PICTURE, is the more important game this week) but Arda was really poor coming on and gave the ball away in the buildup to that 3rd goal. He doesn't have enough urgency in his game right now to play in the MF for us and this game is a great example of why he should strictly be a forward for us. He is not consistent enough with is passing and we can afford that more out of a forward than in a MF with how we play and Lucho needs to learn this quickly before he continues to cost us games in this position. My only real vent from the game.
^^All of that is precisely why I didn't want Arda in the MF despite his stats. Again, those stats mainly came from him being in FW positions.
Rafinha and Denis are the players who need to be getting Iniesta's position more because neither Arda nor Gomes for me is really grasping that position at the moment. I like Gomes a lot better deeper aka in Raki or Busi's role, meaning for the time being he should be more of a bench/rotation option this season, not a starter for these sort of matches.
That's my biggest observation. Not terribly surprised at the result, we are pretty wounded atm and MSN can't do shit without a solid foundation feed it chances and possession high up the pitch. Its going to be a rough patch and I'm worried about Sevilla but once we start recuperating from the injuries, hopefully we can start finding some consistency again. Also, Pep's talk at half-time clearly made a difference. They pressed really intelligently and it seems he likes the diamond against us, something he used against us at Bayern which is smart. They played really well and honestly, they didn't deserve to be beaten that badly by us in the first leg anyway so it all ends up fairly even. They are a very solid team and I'll never complain losing to Pep unless we are clearly robbed. Ter Stegen was a bit weak on that FK too but whatever, we are still top of the group and control our destiny.
Hope this fires us up for Pizjuan because that's going to be an equally difficult game with a lot more to lose for dropping points.
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