soul24rage
Senior Member
it's time for messi to step up
Both Messi and CR7 have looked unstoppable in CL when their teams have been generally the best.
Messi had 4 CL top-scorers in a row from 08-12 and comprehensively outplayed CR7 H2H in the 3 times they've met in CL:
United-Barca 08 CL semis
United-Barca 09 Final
Barca-Madrid 11 CL semis
The recency of CR7's CL titles plus the fact that he's had more KO games to showcase his abilities in recent seasons makes people jump to these conclusions.
I'd agree with you about the recency if it wasn't for the fact that he has a very clear edge in the overall statistics, including per game stats. Also performing better in more KO games is better than performing average in less KO games. The fact that he keeps his stats up for a bigger number of KO games is to his credit, not to his detriment. People were calling him a big game choker, but his KO record trounces the second best player's (I think Messi) record by a big margin. And it doesn't really matter which team he's facing - PSG, Juve, Bayern, Atletico - he doesn't struggle in scoring against any of them.
There's no denying that Messi is a better player in general, but Ronaldo has a good case to go down as the best CL performer. His numbers are historic and he scores important goals.
His KO numbers have gone through the roof ever since 2014, which is when RM started beating anyone and everyone in CL KOs. Of course, his goals have had a lot to do with this, but it is obvious looking at seasonal performances that RM prioritizes this competition and other RM players like marcelo modric etc. upping their level facilitates CR7's exploits. For instance, compare Marcelo's performance v PSG 1st leg this season and the bayern ties last season to his standard performances.
As for who will have the greater CL legacy, it's hard to tell. 3-4 years ago, CR7 at 29-30 was not close to messi's trophy haul yet now has more or less equaled it. It depends a lot on the strength of their respective teams in the coming years, as both are ruthless when things are in their favor. I certainly hope Barca has a better showing in CL, though as you saw versus Chelsea, Messi is dealing with a lot of deadwood.
I'm sorry but he plays with a striker partner who is beyond finished and kicks the ball out of play when attempting stepovers and had a midfield behind him consisting of Casemiro, Asensio and Vasquez. Let's not pretend he is served by all-time greats while Messi plays for Malaga. His unparalleled determination to make himself available and get on the end of balls is what makes the difference.
I'd agree with you about the recency if it wasn't for the fact that he has a very clear edge in the overall statistics, including per game stats. Also performing better in more KO games is better than performing average in less KO games. The fact that he keeps his stats up for a bigger number of KO games is to his credit, not to his detriment. People were calling him a big game choker, but his KO record trounces the second best player's (I think Messi) record by a big margin. And it doesn't really matter which team he's facing - PSG, Juve, Bayern, Atletico - he doesn't struggle in scoring against any of them.
There's no denying that Messi is a better player in general, but Ronaldo has a good case to go down as the best CL performer. His numbers are historic and he scores important goals.
If RM wins the UCL 3rd time in a row he will definitely get the 6th Ballon d'or and will be a strong candidate to become the GOAT.