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Stoichkov1

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He can't pass and create either. The excuse that he doesn't do that because he in a team that does it for him is just a convenient excuse. He doesn't even try to do all that in portugal where he is needed to. Just sticks to the scoring position all the game and when he does try to pass and create he looks extremery ordinary.

They definitely knew how to finish and scored many goals. What are you on about? Messi's goals are byproducts?? What?

He can create, but it's his off the ball movement that helps him create chances, because his passing is very ordinary.

If you look at squawka or whoscored you'll notice how Ronaldo is the one who creates most chances in the Real Madrid team but he's still miles behind players like Ozil, Neymar or Messi who create much more.
 

El Flaco

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Lucas Vazquez is actually the player who's created most chances per 90 according to Squawka.

Cristiano is behind him, Bale, Benzema, Asensio etc. on that area.
 

El Gato

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He can't pass and create either.

Incorrect. You'd know if you watch last night's game or even some from this season. I recall at least one Kroos/Modrić-esque pass within the past month, can't remember who it was against (found it, was vs Betis). Plenty a compilations on youtube from both club and country (see the pass vs USA) to prove that statement wrong.



Neymessi said:
The excuse that he doesn't do that because he in a team that does it for him is just a convenient excuse. He doesn't even try to do all that in portugal where he is needed to. Just sticks to the scoring position all the game and when he does try to pass and create he looks extremery ordinary.

You don't seem to understand the concept of putting your players in their best position to succeed. If your coach doesn't need you in creation, because you'd be more useful as #9 then you play there like the vulture you're meant to be. Doesn't automatically mean you can't pass or create, you simply don't need to do it very often. Ridiculous statement. We can talk about consistency of his creative game if he were to be put in a position where he is required to do it all the time, but to say he can't do this and can't do that is just daft.

Plentiful basic examples in the video below as to what he still does to this day very often for Madrid. His movement is crucial to chance creation, especially when he's outwide and can't outpace the defender to take it himself, that's when he can still make a great drilled cross inside. He just doesn't do these often, because there is nobody as good on the Madrid team on exploiting these weaknesses to get on the end of the cross. Bale tends to be OK, but he is moody AF these days and probably a goner so not putting as much effort in. Asensio is OK, but very young and prefers to make the cross. Isco isn't featured as often, because he imbalances the wings. And Benzema is just fucking garbage at finishing 90% of the time.

Neymessi said:
They defnitely knew how to finish and scored many goals. What are you on about?

So what? They haven't scored nearly as many. Only one exception, because of Barca's Messidependencia in all areas where they need his aptitude everywhere to make it work. All the rest are worse scorers than Ronaldo by considerable margin. They make up in other areas. Meaning they're not goalscorers or nowhere near as good as Ronaldo. And not for comparably long enough either.
 
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Ritchie

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I really don't understand how someone who is a phenomenal goalscorer only from close range can be considered that great. Sure he is an amazing finisher and all but as a football player I would look at 10 other important things apart from finishing and he sucks ass in that. He can't dribble, pass or create an amazing chance to save his life. And here he is getting compared to the greatest ever to grace the game.

None of messi, pele, zidane, cryuff, maradonna and the greatest evers were this one dimensional as him. If this was another player doing exactly what cr7 is doing right now no one would have dared compared him to messi. He would just have been considered a good goalscorer.

There's been better finishers in the game. Finishing wise Ronaldo is more Andy Cole than Gerd Muller. Brilliant at getting in the right position.
 

Givenchy

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Ronaldo is not the 'GOAT' at anything. he's not the most complete player either. Messi is a better playmaker and the stats show a better finisher also.

don't take anything away from this guys achievements though, the guy is a machine and the ballon d'or race is well and truly on
 

serghei

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Its actually funny how happy he is after scoring 4 past Girona while being 15pts down and pretty much out of La Liga. Played for half a season like absolute shit, then RM atarts playing well and he starts putting 3-4 against bottom feeders.

That would be true if he wouldn't be scoring for fun in CL against the best teams. Guy comes alive in CL but his dedication for the full season is not there as it was a few years ago.
 

NotInHere

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Ronaldo is decent at passing, might pull something out of his ass from time to time that makes him look like a great assister but he just isn't..

He's biggest attribute right now is his off the ball movement inside the box, Madrid obviously plays for him so he can score.

I'm sorry Messi fans he will continue to score until he retires, dude is just too good at reading plays and netting them in.
 

MessiTBE

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It's clear Ronaldo didn't try hard at beginning of season because he knew he already won the ballon dor. Now in 2018, look how hard he tries.

He does not care about anyone else but himself, only personal glory. He wants ballon dor more than anything.
 

Morten

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It's clear Ronaldo didn't try hard at beginning of season because he knew he already won the ballon dor. Now in 2018, look how hard he tries.

He does not care about anyone else but himself, only personal glory. He wants ballon dor more than anything.

Nonsense, Ronaldo wants to win, team awards as well as individual ones, he just had a really bad time in front of goal the first few months. The rest of the team didnt do well either(leaking goals constantly).
 
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