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[messi15478]

Ronaldo was benched against Bayern and Liverpool they still won . Shows that without service he is shit

2016: Messi doesnt play against Real Madrid: Barca win 4-0
Messi play against Real Madrid: Barca lose 2-1

Messi doesnt play against Chile: Arg win 2-1
Messi play against Chile: Arg lose


You see the logic ?

 

[RMU ReBorn]

2016: Messi doesnt play against Real Madrid: Barca win 4-0
Messi play against Real Madrid: Barca lose 2-1

Messi doesnt play against Chile: Arg win 2-1
Messi play against Arg: Arg lose


You see the logic ?

Penaldo didn't play in Copa del rey final 2014 Real won 2-1
penaldo played in league classico before that , Barca won 4-3

penaldo played against Chile in Confederation cup semi -Chile won
Penaldo didn't played in euro final - Portugal won

Yeah pretty much

 

[Icarium]

OK. Maybe I've wrongly misrepresented you personally, apologies if I did.. mostly because of the surrounding company of painful posts I was replying to. Let's see if I can clarify my position again.

The original post was:


.. and my position frankly is - it absolutely IS to do with his personal comfort. Another more blunt way of putting it is "Messi is too lazy to move", which I've seen posted too, which I partly agree with. Some players don't see the value in being successful elsewhere and there is undoubtedly point to winning trophies in different countries. I don't see how denying it is a worthy argument.

Now with Messi, he doesn't NEED to prove anything to anybody, but would anybody blame him if he wanted to? Like I said in the follow-up posts, it's totally cool to not be that careerist type who cares about how much he has done. If he has no desire to go to Italy, more power to him. That doesn't necessary equate to love for the club though does it?

Now, this "love" thing... I'm sure Messi loves his fans who have nothing but admiration for him, maybe sometimes a bit of healthy criticism. Does he love the INSTITUTION? I frankly doubt that and I think it's evident given the chequered dealings with the board who just dumped the load on his and Suarez-Neymar backs in most recent memory. The rising contract extensions are his intrinsic right, but are also a way to get back at them for it. I don't think there's any love or healthiness between him, Barto and Segura. In contrast with CR however, he naturally seems to feel he is valued enough now. But the lack of sporting project for nearly 5 years now must piss him off as much as anything else.
I also held the very same view for a while that he'll either stay at Barca or throw up a middle finger to Barto, take his ball and go back to Newell's. He's that type.

I will not deny that he is more about enjoying football and taking things simple than going out on the field for proving himself. He enjoys football doesn't feel the obsession to prove it to anyone. But saying he doesn't have the hunger for trophies or winning is harsh. He cares about Barca and Argentina a lot. You can see it in his face how sad it makes him to lose. See both arguments are not exclusive, he likes staying here. Fans love him and the club respects him most of the time. People like Barto and Rosell don't have healthy relationship with anyone. They are crooks and will do anything to stay in power. Messi gives off a feeling that he loves Barca and time and time again he said he will leave Barca only for Newell's. That is good enough sign that he cares about the club. Did Totti stay at Roma just because it is his comfort zone? What about Iniesta? Puyol? Barca is not exactly comfort zone for anyone imo. The pressure is very high, there is lot of burden on him to win. He could easily move to some other league where there is less pressure. Like PSG for example.

In short regarding your institution argument depends on what you consider as institution? Is it the board or the club itself? Most of players doesn't seem to hold board in high regards. Busi and Pique also said public things against Barto. I have no doubt Messi loves the club but the people in charge? You may be right. Not sure.

 

[soul24rage]

2016: Messi doesnt play against Real Madrid: Barca win 4-0
Messi play against Real Madrid: Barca lose 2-1

Messi doesnt play against Chile: Arg win 2-1
Messi play against Chile: Arg lose


You see the logic ?

what kind of logic is that?

 

[GOAT_SUAREZ]

what kind of logic is that?

that being dependend is bad.

 

[Judoman]

Desire to prove himself and desire to win trophies are not the same things.

Messi proved himself a long time ago. Changing clubs/leagues means nothing. It s not like, he plays in French league.
Also, why would anyone want to move from Barcelona to England or Germany?

 

[Icarium]

Yeah that is what I meant. He doesn't feel like he has to prove anything to anyone. Which is true. He won everything at club football. A league in different country won't change much about legacy at this point. Only a world cup will change it and that ship has sailed.

 

[soul24rage]

that being dependend is bad.

i guess barca should sell messi then haha

 

[El Gato]

I agree with most, however..

Did Totti stay at Roma just because it is his comfort zone? What about Iniesta? Puyol? Barca is not exactly comfort zone for anyone imo. The pressure is very high, there is lot of burden on him to win. He could easily move to some other league where there is less pressure. Like PSG for example.

With Totti, almost definitely, though naturally "just because". Leader-types feel the sense of duty to stay and set a goal to reach. But Messi kind of isn't that guy, is he? He's the ace, knows what it takes tactically, but isn't a leader of men.
Comfort always plays a big part. Nobody likes to leave where they were for ages, precisely because it's frequently diving into the unknown in terms of how comfortable it's going to be away from "home". Pressure is something you learn to live with anyway.

In short regarding your institution argument depends on what you consider as institution? Is it the board or the club itself? Most of players doesn't seem to hold board in high regards. Busi and Pique also said public things against Barto. I have no doubt Messi loves the club but the people in charge? You may be right. Not sure.

Institution is anyone not directly involved with the "playing and coaching" of the game, right? Grossly and sweepingly generalised, but probably true on the whole.

It's almost clear he doesn't or that he fell out of with them. The good-to-great things Barca board have done since Pep left are what, count on one hand list? Could push it to two hands. I don't think he's completely loving his time at Barcelona since he's become the absolute focus with a few positive exceptions i.e. the Clasicos.

To me, he stayed for the fans. Not the institution. Commendable, but could get unhealthy.

 

[Icarium]

I agree with most, however..


With Totti, almost definitely, though naturally "just because". Leader-types feel the sense of duty to stay and set a goal to reach. But Messi kind of isn't that guy, is he? He's the ace, knows what it takes tactically, but isn't a leader of men.
Comfort always plays a big part. Nobody likes to leave where they were for ages, precisely because it's frequently diving into the unknown in terms of how comfortable it's going to be away from "home". Pressure is something you learn to live with anyway.



Institution is anyone not directly involved with the "playing and coaching" of the game, right? Grossly and sweepingly generalised, but probably true on the whole.

It's almost clear he doesn't or that he fell out of with them. The good-to-great things Barca board have done since Pep left are what, count on one hand list? Could push it to two hands. I don't think he's completely loving his time at Barcelona since he's become the absolute focus with a few positive exceptions i.e. the Clasicos.

To me, he stayed for the fans. Not the institution. Commendable, but could get unhealthy.

Iniesta is more relatable then. Both are not Catalans, but they stayed with the team for Highs and Lows and gave their absolute best. Messi is wrongly criticized for not showing enough emotion, i feel like he cares about the club as much as Iniesta, close to it at least. But he doesn't show that enough unless in special moments.

Coming to the people in charge, they come and go. They don't represent the club, fans represent the club. They are the ones who stick around. Fans have always applauded messi and they will stick with him until he leaves and beyond. I don't see it as unhealthy, i see it as the opposite. It is kind of good relation fans should have with the player. But obviously there are bad apples who put the player before the club like saying he should leave the club to save himself. Those are the people you need to avoid.

And coming to the loving his time or not, i mean these are highs and lows. You will not always be surrounded by good players, but the way he played in this liga and had a huge impact on our almost unbeaten run. He gives a shit i think, some good performances he gave this season. It would make sense if it was Ronaldo situation under Mourinho, hardly getting the ball. That would make players unhappy. But being a central focal point of a team is not really a unhappy thing right? Although he is burdened by our midfield and he may not want it that way. So yeah you are correct he may not completely love the current barca but he is still not at ronaldo or hazard under mourinho unhappy. Overall it seems fine.

 

[Andrew M]

yep he is a monster that scored a load of useless goals & lucky to score offside goals in semifinals to get all the glory


as a player he is finished & will get exposed next season without the help of players like isco modric marcelo benzema ....


btw why man united fans loves to act in a pathetic way

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Your certificate is in the post.

 

[Joan]

2016: Messi doesnt play against Real Madrid: Barca win 4-0
Messi play against Real Madrid: Barca lose 2-1

Messi doesnt play against Chile: Arg win 2-1
Messi play against Chile: Arg lose


You see the logic ?

You should change your nick. It's an option, you know.

 

[messi15478]

You should change your nick. It's an option, you know.

Haha thanks for the tip

 

[El Flaco]

How many of you guys will follow Juventus matches with Cristiano in the line-up.

Personally, I'll definitely do that unless if it collides with Barca/RM matches being played at the same time.

 

[Total-Football]

A big no no for me .. It's still Barcelona games + EPL games