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[SeloBarca]

His dribbling skills have always been severly overrated. Oversteps that fails 50% of the time and thats it.

 

[te amo barca]

His dribbling skills have always been severly overrated. Oversteps that fails 50% of the time and thats it.

No, he was quite an amazing distance dribbler at Man United, but after his first year with Madrid he lost it.

 

[evilhita666]

I must've forgot it, what did he do?

The crowd booed/whistled him and he basically told them shut up and have calma, hahaha...

 

[Yannik]

So Jose Maria Mollinedo who is the secretary general of the union at Spain's tax authority (GESTHA) had an interview RAC1 and confirmed that Ronaldo likely directed over 150m of income through tax havens.

Apparently, if found guilty, Ronaldo is likely to score a penalty of a minimum of six years in jail.

For real 6 years? Seems quite harsh, 150m is a lot of dough but that's like the sentence a rapist or an attempted terrorist would sit in.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

For real 6 years? Seems quite harsh, 150m is a lot of dough but that's like the sentence a rapist or an attempted terrorist would sit in.

how do you view it in light of Messi's 21 months for about 5 million ?

 

[Yannik]

how do you view it in light of Messi's 21 months for about 5 million ?

well it isn't judged totally proportional iirc. A certain crime can only give you a certain minimum and maximum of jail time but 6 years for monetary crimes seem like quite a lot. It's not like someone who had just evaded 5k would only spend half an hour there. Afaik if it's below 2 years it doesn't make much of a difference anyway since you get out of jail in Spain when it's your first offense.

So far I've never really heard of a case where this came with 6years, but maybe the law in spain is different there. However, IF found guilty than Ronaldo will probably play the good ol' "it was my accountant, I don't know what taxes are" card. Remains to be seen wether that goes to court and how it ends for him.

 

[DonAK]

well it isn't judged totally proportional iirc. A certain crime can only give you a certain minimum and maximum of jail time but 6 years for monetary crimes seem like quite a lot. It's not like someone who had just evaded 5k would only spend half an hour there. Afaik if it's below 2 years it doesn't make much of a difference anyway since you get out of jail in Spain when it's your first offense.

So far I've never really heard of a case where this came with 6years, but maybe the law in spain is different there. However, IF found guilty than Ronaldo will probably play the good ol' "it was my accountant, I don't know what taxes are" card. Remains to be seen wether that goes to court and how it ends for him.

Nothing unusual. It's quite a substantial amount.

In Norway it is punishable with a big fine or imprisonment up to 6 years.

Factors like it

a) being a substantial amount
b) performed in a manner making it very difficult to detect
c) committed on several occasions or over long time
d) organized etc.......

is taken in to account

In Germany it is punishable with imprisonment for up to 5 years or again, a fine. §370. 1AO German Fiscal Code....

So again, nothing unusual. It's how it is.

If what Cristiano and co did is wrong, which it seems like it really might be, then it surely is a substantial amount, it surely is performed in a manner making it next to impossible to detect for the Spanish authorities, performed since 2009 so again, over longer time and definitely organized as it's all through Jorge Mendes' agency and Cristiano isn't the only player involved as most of his clients are in with him on this tax scheme.

 

[Yannik]

Nothing unusual. It's quite a substantial amount.

In Norway it is punishable with a big fine or imprisonment up to 6 years.

Factors like it

a) being a substantial amount
b) performed in a manner making it very difficult to detect
c) committed on several occasions or over long time
d) organized etc.......

is taken in to account

In Germany it is punishable with imprisonment for up to 5 years or again, a fine. §370. 1AO German Fiscal Code....

So again, nothing unusual. It's how it is.

But with all the tax cases we had in spanish football, who actually had more than 2years, let alone 5-6?
Almost all of them are above the €1m threeshold at which the max punishment would be given, all have used similar systems. Even Hoeness in germany was 30m off was sentenced for just 2 years. I find it very hard to believe Ronaldo would go to jail for 5+ years if they found out that his tax issues are of illegal nature.

 

[DonAK]

But with all the tax cases we had in spanish football, who actually had more than 2years, let alone 5-6?
Almost all of them are above the €1m threeshold at which the max punishment would be given, all have used similar systems. Even Hoeness in germany was 30m off was sentenced for just 2 years. I find it very hard to believe Ronaldo would go to jail for 5+ years if they found out that his tax issues are of illegal nature.

That's because they're applying the same sentence for each offence.

Messi got 7 months for each offence, which would equate to 5+ years for Cristiano.

That said, do you think Cristiano would even get charged? No way in hell. A judge has already imposed or seek to impose a gag order on all these leaks, and the Spanish IRS are supporting the judge in his cause.

While in Messi's case they publicly announced he was under investigation from the very beginning. So you see the double standards here? It's Spain baby.

Hoeness was not just 30m off. He was way over that, he tried his best to deny it until he settled on that amount, but it's very likely it was much more than that so you could argue he got off cheaply.

 

[Devils]

For real 6 years? Seems quite harsh, 150m is a lot of dough but that's like the sentence a rapist or an attempted terrorist would sit in.

I always thought it was normal. Especially for that amount.

Doesn't Germany have even more strict punishments for tax fraud? I recall reading that when Uli was sentenced that it was unfortunate that he did that stuff in Germany because he could of got away with it without prison in other European countries.

Edit: Just read the other posts, maybe not.

 

[Yannik]

That's because they're applying the same sentence for each offence.

Messi got 7 months for each offence, which would equate to 5+ years for Cristiano.

That said, do you think Cristiano would even get charged? No way in hell. A judge has already imposed or seek to impose a gag order on all these leaks, and the Spanish IRS are supporting the judge in his cause.

While in Messi's case they publicly announced he was under investigation from the very beginning. So you see the double standards here? It's Spain baby.

Hoeness was not just 30m off. He was way over that, he tried his best to deny it until he settled on that amount, but it's very likely it was much more than that so you could argue he got off cheaply.

according to SPIEGEL the problem with Ronaldo as of now is that football leaks so far has only convicted him of tax avoidance which as of now isn't a crime (should be one if you ask me), the whole suspicision lies within the email traffic of his agents in which they actually say that they are worried that the spanish authorities might notice something and it's only speculative that this "something" is crossing the limit of legality.

I definitely think Ronaldo would get charged, biasm aside, we're talking up to €150m, no matter how many friends Perez has, that's a big one for the whole poor country. I mean it's possible they don't go public with that whole thing, but of course he'd be punished if he was found guilty.

 

[DonAK]

according to SPIEGEL the problem with Ronaldo as of now is that football leaks so far has only convicted him of tax avoidance which as of now isn't a crime (should be one if you ask me), the whole suspicision lies within the email traffic of his agents in which they actually say that they are worried that the spanish authorities might notice something and it's only speculative that this "something" is crossing the limit of legality.

I definitely think Ronaldo would get charged, biasm aside, we're talking up to €150m, no matter how many friends Perez has, that's a big one for the whole poor country. I mean it's possible they don't go public with that whole thing, but of course he'd be punished if he was found guilty.

The big, big problem with all of this is whether the Spanish authorities even will care to investigate this matter throughly. Will they? It certainly doesn't seem like the intention to do so is there.

That's the problem. If his agents are worried then they are worried for a reason. Now whether even the leaks so far is only about tax avoidance or not got to be investigated, but we have judges ordering a newspaper to stop reporting about it or get locked up in jail, and have the IRS supporting him too.

And the whole process where they publicly went after Messi, but want to hush up everything related to Cristiano is a bitter pill to swallow for many.

 

[Yannik]

The big, big problem with all of this is whether the Spanish authorities even will care to investigate this matter throughly. Will they? It certainly doesn't seem like the intention to do so is there.

That's the problem. If his agents are worried then they are worried for a reason. Now whether even the leaks so far is only about tax avoidance or not got to be investigated, but we have judges ordering a newspaper to stop reporting about it or get locked up in jail, and have the IRS supporting him too.

And the whole process where they publicly went after Messi, but want to hush up everything related to Cristiano is a bitter pill to swallow for many.

Actually the judge has a reason for that since he's the investigating executive and he is basically saying that publishing those documents would be very detrimental for his investigation. He has a point with that, my personal problem with that is though: Why didn't they do that when other players were under investigation, including Messi.

Well. Que será, será.
Afaik the judge isn't able to forbif the leak. It's not happening on spanish ground anyway, he can just complain. We will see what's behind all this and where it leads us to.

 

[Chong Li]

I must've forgot it, what did he do?

kicked after Schmelzer right in front of the linesmen. Nothing too bad but players have been sent off for stuff like that.

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[Kerrybai]

He will lose his mind if Messi beats him to 100. Here's hoping RM get a tough draw and a last 16 exit.