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[BarcaOG]

You don't score 700+ goals and remain "the eternal second", a comparison absolutely exists and non-Barca fans struggle to claim confidently who has had the better career out of the two. Barca fans like you live in a bubble. For the record, I think Messi is the better player but their careers are really close now.

totally agree. in terms of overall career i think CR has it

 

[BarcaOG]

You are ridiculous if you seriously compare a goalscorer to a goalscorer who is also a playmaker and dribbler.

Football is a teamsport though. When it comes to playing he is not near Messi. He is closer to Lewandiwski, Ibra and Suarez since they are also goalscorers.
He got them beat but doesnt compare to Messi as a footballer.

Just get elevated due to riding his coattails in a social media era where the media compares him to Messi.
Also an era where topteams are stacked and we have players scoring 30+ when it used to be rarer.
Which makes goalscorers look better than before.

Real Ronaldo, Henry, Sheva, Batistuta, etc. Put them in stacked teams with more penalties and they would go from
From 20-25 goal strikers to 30-35 strikers.
Nobody in his right mind would think Aguero and Higuain are greatly superior to Batistuta for example.

The easier scoring and therefore mind boggling stats fuels Ronaldo's only argument to be compared to Messi, goalscoring. But it doesnt put him in the goat debate. Otherwise you can also put Gerd Muller in.

this is so biased and uncharitable its almost not worth engaging with. right, because ronaldo 9, henry and the others didnt play in good teams... what nonsense

 

[serghei]

You are ridiculous if you seriously compare a goalscorer to a goalscorer who is also a playmaker and dribbler.

Football is a teamsport though. When it comes to playing he is not near Messi. He is closer to Lewandiwski, Ibra and Suarez since they are also goalscorers.
He got them beat but doesnt compare to Messi as a footballer.

Just get elevated due to riding his coattails in a social media era where the media compares him to Messi.
Also an era where topteams are stacked and we have players scoring 30+ when it used to be rarer.
Which makes goalscorers look better than before.

Real Ronaldo, Henry, Sheva, Batistuta, etc. Put them in stacked teams with more penalties and they would go from
From 20-25 goal strikers to 30-35 strikers.
Nobody in his right mind would think Aguero and Higuain are greatly superior to Batistuta for example.

The easier scoring and therefore mind boggling stats fuels Ronaldo's only argument to be compared to Messi, goalscoring. But it doesnt put him in the goat debate. Otherwise you can also put Gerd Muller in.

Lol, how can you compare Ronaldo with someone who barely ever scored a significant goal in CL like Ibrahimovic, and someone who hasn't scored an away goal in CL for half a decade like Suarez ?

Dismissing Ronaldo as just a scorer is like saying Nadal doesn't belong in the GOAT conversation because he's just a baseliner with a two handed backhand, and not nearly as complete as Federer.

You can prefer Messi no problem, plenty of arguments, but you can prefer Ronaldo for a lot of reasons too, even though Messi is more complete and more talented. Federer is more complete and more talented than Nadal and Djokovic, and I don't think people should be denying the merits of Nadal.

Don't see why Ronaldo should be penalized for being less talented and complete than Messi, but Messi should not be penalized because he is less of a leader than Ronaldo, less of a professional, and a lesser athlete.

They are just different, but equally impressive for what they achieved.

 

[KingLeo10]

There isn't a day that goes by on these forums that people on either side of the Messi CR7 camp post ludicrous opinions like the other pales in comparison.

That was once upon a time the case in 2015...where Messi had the better peak, better production (both goals and assists), more CLs (4 or 3.5 versus 2 at that point), more leagues, better H2H, better Ballon d'Or Count ( 6 v 3 at that point), more dominant CL performances, more CL KO goals etc.

But over 16-18, CR7 has pretty much closed the gap. He's still behind in some areas but he's now ahead in some areas (CLs, CL KO goals). I obviously prefer peak Messi to peak CR7 as a player but career wise, there's arguments on both sides.

 

[JohnN]

Let's just wait for some years after they both retire and look back then. Everyone will have their own opinion ofcourse but better to see things when the dust has settled.

 

[Blackened]

Who was the better player in their prime: CR or R9?

 

[KingLeo10]

Who was the better player in their prime: CR or R9?

R9 in 96-97 at Barcelona was better than CR7 has ever been. But CR7's prime lasted like 10 years...R9's was maybe 2 years.

 

[Blackened]

R9 in 96-97 at Barcelona was better than CR7 has ever been. But CR7's prime lasted like 10 years...R9's was maybe 2 years.

Thank you. I agree.

 

[Morten]

R9 in 96-97 at Barcelona was better than CR7 has ever been. But CR7's prime lasted like 10 years...R9's was maybe 2 years.

Ronaldo is probably the most talented striker every, so CR7 ending up short isnt something to be ashamed about, 11/12, 13/14 or 14/15 are great enough seasons individually regardless.
Ronaldo would just take the ball and run past everyboy, including the keeper, and he would do it over and over, just absurd.

 

[Blackened]

Players that were undisputedly better than CR at their peak... We have, lets see... Messi, Maradona, Pele, R9... Ronaldinho? Henry? George Best? Van Basten? Johan Cruyff? What do you guys think? Would you rank CR in the top 10?

 

[JamDav1982]

Players that were undisputedly better than CR at their peak... We have, lets see... Messi, Maradona, Pele, R9... Ronaldinho? Henry? George Best? Van Basten? Johan Cruyff? What do you guys think? Would you rank CR in the top 10?

Likes of Henry and Ronaldinho were not better than peak Ronaldo.

Even R9 is debateable. More pleasing on eye but could easily see how would be more likely to win with CR7 in team.

Ronaldo is up there with Messi as the best ever. Just behind him.

 

[Blackened]

Likes of Henry and Ronaldinho were not better than peak Ronaldo.

Even R9 is debateable. More pleasing on eye but could easily see how would be more likely to win with CR7 in team.

Ronaldo is up there with Messi as the best ever. Just behind him.

Thats not true! Maradona was definitely better than CR.

 

[JamDav1982]

Thats not true! Maradona was definitely better than CR.

Maradona more silky/skilled player with more ability but didnt have better career or better peaks bar that WC where could argue that was better peak than Messi as well if that is the case.

If folk prefer Maradona fair enough as he is iconic but to even question if Ronaldinho was a better player than Ronaldo is ridiculous.

 

[Blackened]

Maradona more silky/skilled player with more ability but didnt have better career or better peaks bar that WC where could argue that was better peak than Messi as well if that is the case.

If folk prefer Maradona fair enough as he is iconic but to even question if Ronaldinho was a better player than Ronaldo is ridiculous.

But hey... Its not about better CAREER. Who was the better PLAYER? In their prime, when IT WAS ALL THERE. Casemiro has won 3 CLs, R9 never won one. On club level, Casemiro has already had a better career. Your arguments suck.

 

[JamDav1982]

But hey... Its not about better CAREER. Who was the better PLAYER? In their prime, when IT WAS ALL THERE. Casemiro has won 3 CLs, R9 never won one. On club level, Casemiro has already had a better career. Your arguments suck.

Career as in what they produced week in week out and peak can argue Ronaldo had better seasons than Maradona ever did unless want to break it down to one world cup.

In his prime Ronaldo was better than likes of Henry and Ronaldinho and it is not even particularly close. If ask stupid questions dont get upset when get answer you dont like.