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KingLeo10

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He doesn't deserve Ballon Dor, no, but positions and trophies are team efforts.

To a certain extent. If he was playing for Fiorentina or Hungary, those are great results.

If he was playing for Napoli and Sweden, those are maybe expected results.

Since he played for Juve and Portugal (this stacked version of Portugal), those are subpar results.
 

Rassvet

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To a certain extent. If he was playing for Fiorentina or Hungary, those are great results.

If he was playing for Napoli and Sweden, those are maybe expected results.

Since he played for Juve and Portugal (this stacked version of Portugal), those are subpar results.

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Morten

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To a certain extent. If he was playing for Fiorentina or Hungary, those are great results.

If he was playing for Napoli and Sweden, those are maybe expected results.

Since he played for Juve and Portugal (this stacked version of Portugal), those are subpar results.

Will you then partly blame Messi for Barcelonas poor league performances last season?

Will you partly blame Benzema for us not winning the league last season?

Just curious.

For me that would be silly, Messi was the leagues best player, Benzema was top 3.

Ronaldo could have performed better in some key games, i agree, but that wouldn't have been enough to get Juventus to compete with Inter, might have let them get to a semi or something with Portugal though.
 
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KingLeo10

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Will you then partly blame Messi for Barcelonas poor league performances last season?

Will you partly blame Benzema for us not winning the league last season?

Just curious.

For me that would be silly, Messi was the leagues best player, Benzema was top 3.

Ronaldo could have performed better in some key games, i agree, but that wouldn't have been enough to get Juventus to compete with Inter, might have let them get to a semi or something with Portugal though.

Of course. But Messi also won Copa America with the most goals, assists, and most for all the attacking stats. That's the main reason for his Ballon D'Or case.
 

Morten

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Of course. But Messi also won Copa America with the most goals, assists, and most for all the attacking stats. That's the main reason for his Ballon D'Or case.

I know he depended on a strong Copa to win Ballon Dor, but its worth pointing out he lead most if not all attacking stats in la liga as well.
Difference is that he was let down by his team domestically, but not with his NT.
 

Zidane82

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Zlatan Ibrahimović:
Messi did not compete with Cristiano Ronaldo for the Ballon d'Or, he did it against Florentino Perez !
 
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