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Rassvet

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Hurts his CL legacy a bit with Madrid winning it this year.

He is very lucky he played with 2 Ballon D'or Winners in his prime, Modric and Benzema( he is pretty much a lock to win it.)

Conversely, Messi won 3 of his CLs without having any Ballon D'or Winners.

CR7 has just had too much help in his career from his teammates.

Messi had Xavi, Iniesta, Suarez, and Neymar at their peaks
 

Sailor Mars

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Messi had Xavi, Iniesta, Suarez, and Neymar at their peaks

None of them were Ballon D'or winners. Good players but there is a clear gap from having a supporting cast that has Ballon D'or winners compared to a supporting cast that has no Ballon D'or winners.
 

Rassvet

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None of them were Ballon D'or winners. Good players but there is a clear gap from having a supporting cast that has Ballon D'or winners compared to a supporting cast that has no Ballon D'or winners.

Modric winning one ballon d'or doesn't make him better than Xavi and Iniesta were.
 

Sailor Mars

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Modric winning one ballon d'or doesn't make him better than Xavi and Iniesta were.

When people look back in a decade or two from now, they will see that CR7 won his R.Madrid CLs with 2 Ballon D'or winners playing alongside him.
With Messi, he had such little help compared to CR7. No Ballon D'or winners.

Hurts Cristi's legacy immensely.
 

iniestaGOAT

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When people look back in a decade or two from now, they will see that CR7 won his R.Madrid CLs with 2 Ballon D'or winners playing alongside him.
With Messi, he had such little help compared to CR7. No Ballon D'or winners.

Hurts Cristi's legacy immensely.


No ballondors but they have a world cup and a bunch of Euros
 

Sailor Mars

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No ballondors but they have a world cup and a bunch of Euros

Those are team awards while the Ballon D'or is more about an individual player.

Xavi and Iniesta do have those MVP/Golden Ball/Player of the Tournament awards for those 3 tournaments, but its still not as prestigious as a Ballon D'or.
 

iniestaGOAT

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Those are team awards while the Ballon D'or is more about an individual player.

Xavi and Iniesta do have those MVP/Golden Ball/Player of the Tournament awards for those 3 tournaments, but its still not as prestigious as a Ballon D'or.


The whole team was Barcelona with few bums from Madrid
 
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